AI Companies Now Make Up 44% of S&P 500 Market Cap, 12 Times Bitcoin's Value

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chad404Member
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#1May 2, 2021, 10:02 PM
AI-related firms now account for around 44% of the S&P 500’s market cap. A lot of these companies have pretty sky-high valuations, with median forward P/E ratios hitting around 31x, which feels a lot like the dotcom bubble days. The total valuation for the 38 AI companies stands close to $2.5 trillion, and most of that is coming from debt. That’s 12 times more than Bitcoin’s market cap and over 7 times the total value of all crypto, just considering these 38 AI players in the S&P 500. Utility-wise, they’re pretty limited and facing tough competition, meaning the prices of their actual products and services are likely to be low. It’s more about when this bubble is gonna burst rather than if it will. Folks investing in the S&P 500 or those index funds aren’t really diversifying; they’re just funneling money into this bubble. This could also put 401(k) retirement plans in the US at risk, especially if there’s an AI bubble burst leading to a lengthy recession here and worldwide. So, are you ready for the potential burst? How do you think it’ll impact Bitcoin and the overall crypto scene?
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nickprotoFull Member
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#2May 3, 2021, 02:48 AM
A lot of bubbles don't really burst with long lasting effects imo. If you're invested in something during a bubble and it's somewhat diversified, they've still retained the knowledge and talent they've developed in that corporation and they are still a leader in that. The AI stocks being only $2.8 trillion I'm guessing ignores Microsoft's, Nvidia's and AMD's stakes in OpenAI and each other (because OpenAI has weird shares that aren't publicly traded).
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#3May 3, 2021, 07:50 AM
Many economists are already writing about the AI bubble. There is no doubt that when the bubble bursts, it is guaranteed to bring down the cryptocurrency market. However, the collapse of the AI bubble will affect all markets and the global economy too. I read several reputable economists. One of them predicts the collapse of the bubble this fall. Well, so far, his prediction, fortunately, has not come true. By the way, Yann LeCun, a well-known AI scientist, recently made a good point that AI technology itself is not a bubble. A bubble is an inflated expectation from AI (I'm not conveying it verbatim, but the meaning is something like this).
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1t5_omegaHero Member
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#4May 3, 2021, 09:35 AM
You were doing fine until you said that nonsense. Before the launch of AI, most of the weight of the S&P 500 was already concentrated in those companies. What a coincidence that the ones with the greatest weight in AI are the ones that have been called the “magnificent seven.” To say that investing in them plus all the others in the index is not diversifying is bullshit, even if some valuations are obviously too high.
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#5May 3, 2021, 12:45 PM
It will seem obvious in hindsight with the valuations being so high which is unlikely to be matched by future profitability because the numbers simply don't work. Combined with the fact there is so much circular financing between these companies that contribute the the lofty valuation and you have a recipe for disaster, it's looking like the dotcom bubble all over again. I've found benefits from using AI but it still produces a lot of bad responses and really needs a an intelligent human interpreter in order for it to be used successfully.
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dav3v1perSenior Member
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#6May 3, 2021, 02:08 PM
If you include companies like Nvidia, Google and Microsoft in AI-related companies, then it's not so surprising people are buying AI-related stock and why they make up 44% of the S&P 500. I do agree the bubble will burst, but not in the way you imagine it, in my opinion. The way I see it, the bubble will only affect some companies, and that will mean more funds will go to other companies that people perceive to be making an actual difference. Don't forget that the dot.com bubble helped fund companies like Google. Companies whose technology benefits humanity will yield returns, so a bubble burst might not actually be as bad as you think. Worst-case scenario, it will be like the dotcom bubble, which was a mild recession.
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0xC0braFull Member
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#7May 3, 2021, 05:25 PM
This is said to be 38 AI related company, which by virtue of their structure and firmness, there's no way all of these companies are going going down at the same time or in the same year, and I know that the S&P 500 market index is tracking 500 leading companies, despite that it's said that 38 AI related companies made about 44% of the total market capital, there are 462 leading companies and the other 38 AI related can not have a burst bubble at same time like I said already. For the diversifying of investment, just as Free Market Capitalist said, when you said people investing on s&p 500 is not diversifying their investing but investing on the bubbles, that's not true because if you invest on s&p 500, it means you are not and you did not only invest in one company but you invested in top 500 leading US companies. What you are only referring as the bubbles is the 38 companies.
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SwiftOrbitSenior Member
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#8May 5, 2021, 02:07 PM
You don't understand what diversifying means around here  To diversify your assets, you must buy both shiba inu and pepecoin, not just shiba inu, and with this you're.... something! Yeah, cause investing 44% of your money in 32 different companies and the rest of 56% in some other 470 companies is not diversifying. Buying Bitcoin and Ethereum is diversifying your assets. /s The more people call this a bubble, the more I'm starting to think it's not one, especially since most of those are the ones that called for a decade to short Tesla also, and we know how that went. Can't wait to see Nvidia earnings and hear the screams of doom cultists.
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#9May 5, 2021, 08:13 PM
Perhaps this bubble will collapse much harder than the dot-com bubble, because the situation in the world and in the economy is completely different now than it was 25 years ago. What is interesting to note is that Warren Buffett has been going into cash for a long time. Now this amount already seems to be 380 billion. Although he himself recently announced his resignation from the post of head, the company's policy will still remain the same. He's waiting. When all the stocks fall to the bottom, he will buy. Since Buffett can hardly be wrong, this is a clear sign of impending disaster.
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sam.bullSenior Member
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#10May 6, 2021, 01:08 AM
Once anything is gaining fruition many starts considering it a bubble. I believe maybe a correction is inevitable not really a bubble bursting. They can and they will. Once anything negative happens about AI They all going to suffer it But good thing the S&P 500 is more diversified than OP believes.
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sat_2018Senior Member
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#11May 6, 2021, 02:34 AM
Bubble is an over used description, however you regard AI it isnt some empty fallacy about to pop leaving behind nothing but soapy liquid to sting your eyes.   They have revenue some of the AI tasks are useful, some are just extensions of search engines but there is no doubt alot of genuine traffic and usage is occuring to provoke this much investment. Some of the AI appears uniquely effective like early detection of cancer cells.  The majority of scans are mundane and as it turns out pointless but machines have the attention span to spot the 1 in 1000 whatever % it might be and save someone's life.  We cant overvalue some process like that, there are quite a few points to balance and justify the large figures.   Biggest thing to me is the question how widely does AI apply, is it only for a factory or more widely applicable.  If its every person on the planet as we might argue the case for BTC lies also then the value possibly beyond any normal range.
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SilentGuruSenior Member
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#12May 6, 2021, 08:21 AM
I might be the only one that thinks AI isn't really bubble. There aremany use case for it and we're just waiting for that to happen. Even if it's bubble though, it can burst then the industry will thrive again. Same thing with dot com bubble but won't be as bad. The only AI bursting is the one that provide solution to non existent problem such as AI interviewer or things like that, they don't make sense and the product exist for the sake of existing but AI in general has been very helpful doing repetitive tasks.
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chad2014Full Member
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#13May 6, 2021, 10:26 AM
The market is very irrational. Remember that guy from Big Short, the real one not the character that played him. Today he decided to close down his investment firm. He said that the market is irrational and he can't make any decisions where it will go. He wants to buy, but everything is overpriced and he wants to sell but he was burned before shorting all these companies like Tesla which for no reason kept going up and up. And now its Nvdia and Pltr companies which are overpriced but its risky shorting them and its also risky buying them. So he decided to close up shop as a result. Everyone on twitter was surprised he would do this but this is proof how difficult the markets have become to trade.
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RogueMoonFull Member
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#14May 6, 2021, 04:01 PM
In fact, from what I understand from the Bank of England statement, it is very clear that AI-related stocks at present occupy about 44 % of the S&P 500 in terms of market cap. Such extreme narrow focus lacks diversity. It is true that index funding generally diversifies however in reality, when almost half of the index is driven by the same hype train, it does not even diversify The bubble weather you are experiencing and the forward P/E ratio hovering around 31 is a true reflection of the dot com era. My guess is that when the AI ​​frenzy stops suddenly, both equity indices and the crypto market, which are typically the pursuit of risky investments, could be hit hard. This situation will likely create a buying opportunity for new investors, so get all set to play !
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