So, do these AI trading bots actually deliver results? I'm curious about what the top options out there are. Anyone had good experiences or can share their thoughts on the best ones?
Are AI Trading Bots Effective? Which Ones Are the Top Picks?
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No
They just rely on past market data, just like the technical indicators and this information is public, so you are not going to get those very profitable strategies that puts you ahead of other traders
Lots of exchanges have these AI bots, and if you want to prove this theory, try to get some 10-20 insights and open positions using a demo account based on what AI tells you, and after, find out if you will win most of those trades.
coin_sigmaLegendary
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#3Jul 28, 2024, 12:14 PM
I believe it depends on how you use it, but I cannot recommend any because each exchange already has its own trading bots.
I recommend that you learn how to trade before using bots until you have a working strategy that you can use with the bot, because the only benefit of using bots is that you won't have to monitor the market for long.
At least turn on bots when you are offline and then turn off the bots when you start monitoring the market.
At these current dispensation, I don't expect that people should still be eager to make use of AI on trades, over the years now I expect that we should have seen how the level of reliability on the use of bot to trade has been failing to deliver, trading is not that hard when we put in our efforts to learn about it and apply our own personal strategy to trade into profit than depending on the AI technology for trading.
For years before this AI boom most of the trading in crypto had been occurring via bots (i.e. HFT, arbitrage).
It works if the strategy works and it will fail if the strategy is flawed.
dave_satoshiSenior Member
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#6Jul 29, 2024, 02:14 AM
AI can aid traders in many ways but this is not correct approach to use AI for making decisions related to AI. The best use of AI in trading is that it can help us in reducing the time spent on doing research. There are AI chat bots that can do research on behalf of traders. Careful use of AI can help us in earning more from trading provided final decision must come from our mind after doing necessary research. If AI can help in making final decisions related to trading then everyone of us would be millionaire by now.
mr_satoshiSenior Member
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#7Jul 31, 2024, 02:17 AM
There are people who are seriously marketing trading bots as a secret to their trading success. Don't fall so easily for such cheap scams because the majority of these people actually intend to make a profit from you from your purchase or subscription to this bot.
If you want to experience real success in trading, you have to devote time to learning how to trade by yourself and develop a strategy.
Does AI trading bots really work? Sure they still do.
Do they work all the time? No they dont. And this is because most trading bots relies more on data collected from past market performances and then try to guess the most possible outcome based on previous market performance and behavior, and this isnt a reliable way to approach the market because most of the times these things does fail.
So dont rely solely on trading bots, but also add your own experience and analysis too.
Trading bots work if you set it correctly and know what edge you're targeting.
AI trading bot is hit or miss, since you are depending on an LLM and they may have biased data, it's fifty fifty.
If you're curious try to log in to an exchange app that have AI trading bot feature and see their ROI, mostly around 50% win rate.
Speaking from my own experience, I use NeuroShell DayTrader, which has been incorporating neural networks into trading for decades. There is a massive body of literature, books, and articles written on building AI strategies with this software, giving you plenty of blueprints to create a wide variety of trading bots.
But here is the kicker: when it comes to actual performance, these advanced NeuroShell AI bots don't outperform a standard, basic grid bot from Cryptomus. So, whats the point of dropping a thousand bucks on a subscription? And keep in mind, this software is widely considered the gold standard for AI in the trading industry.
viper_blockSenior Member
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#11Aug 3, 2024, 07:00 AM
They are really work but that depend on how you understand the command to run AI. It needs fully understand running the bot so you can place a right command according to your prediction. You should monitoring AI and check your setting so you don't miss something.
Many AI bot out there but I am not familiar and only use manual trading. Maybe you can check on Binance in the Trading Bots page and see the option. But you should have much funds as I check on Binance, it needs more than $100. Not to mention about what if the market change as that will happens many times.
hodler_2019Full Member
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#12Aug 3, 2024, 10:14 AM
They do but some of them works good and some are not. I think it was posted multiple times here about different AI's that has the same budget and compete trades in real time, you can check it here but right now I think it was trading stocks, you can check it here: https://nof1.ai/
I think AI is useful for trades but not automated trades? Or maybe I haven't figured it out how to use it perfectly. What I usually do is send a screenshot to ChatGPT and shares my analysis and I ask for his opinion, etc. and actually not only I sometimes missed some information but I learned from it and it's also nice to have a different perspective from others especially from a technical standpoint.
I just read in another forum where a user claims one of the AI-powered bot can mimic human analysis now. Unfortunately they never name dropped is, so we can't even verify if such thing exist or not. I'd love to try them myself and see just how far this "human-like" tool actually behaves. If it's as simple as changing stop-loss and whatnot, I'd be very disappointed. I expected more for something that mimic expert. Might as well do copy-trading if mimicking human is the goal here.
shard_minerSenior Member
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#14Aug 3, 2024, 05:15 PM
Yes, I believe copy trading could be even more accurate as compared to relying on AI trading bots.
AI bot is still in the early stages where people try to really understand how to use it and integrate it and am sure developers still have a lot to do to get it to perfection.
AI bots work, but need proper understanding to put into use. They are just as good as the risk models you employ, the strategies you deploy and as good as the parameters that is set.
If you understand how they work, automation, execution and the risk management skills you use alongside, should be more effective in making your trading journey successful.
alexwalletSenior Member
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#15Aug 3, 2024, 08:45 PM
I've never used integrated AI because I don't trust third-party entities to place orders without my consent. But I think they'll work if they're backtested, and you should be prepared to lose. So far, I've only tried a few AI trading analysts (chat-based), and they all consistently produce different setup suggestions and confidence levels when promted the same request.
Bots are there to make the jobs of traders easier but it doesn't come out and do the work magically without having to set it up.
It depends on the need you have and how you will utilize it. That's why it comes with a cost because you're automating some things when you trade.
But is it worth it? I guess those real ones who have been using it for a long time can say that it is.
If an actual trading AI bot can do the job, do the analysis and everything and can accurately trade and make profit like 98% of all time, we'll all jump on that ship for real.
Well, I guess it depends on who you copied. If you copied someone with a 40% win rate then there's a higher chance using some random bot to automate simple trading using bollinger band setup will give you more or less the same return, or higher.
I'm not sure if we still lack understanding, since we know TA for years now. Using AI is just simplifying how the algorithm works, although it's definitely not fool proof. I guess those paid products will help users to get the best model with the best prompt (to the point where the datasets allow them), but it won't magically improve the result unless your previous setup is horrible.
bridge_atlasFull Member
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#18Aug 5, 2024, 05:03 AM
There was an AI trading bot challenge that started last year, and they were testing the major LLMs. It had two seasons; unfortunately, I now see only the last season
https://nof1.ai/
You can read through the documentation and interpret the result. All the answers you are seeking are probably there. In the first season, I think Qwen was the overall winner.
What you will realize is that AI bots are not actually as "excellent" as most people think. At least not at the moment.
AI bot, specifically llm ones could change its behaviour even when there is slight change to system prompt.
You can tweak it around for better or worse but the real problem is the non deterministic output that you gonna get.
AI forget a lot for some reason and you need to feed full context to make it accurate, therefore it's not there yet. that what makes it not excellent.
I'm already profitable in crypto trading so why do I need to use AI to trade for me?
Kidding aside, I'm still not profitable though I can say that I'm better now compared to how I am months ago, and that's without the help of AI. I'm not saying that AI isn't beneficial when it comes to trading though because AI can help the trader in different way like finding information that could affect the decision of the trader, researching in order to know what would be the bias for the day and many more. That's how AI can help the trader, but to rely on it when it comes to if you will enter a position on a specific coin? That's not how AI can help you.
AI trading kinda makes me curious on how profitable a trader would be when they just simply use AI to trade and rely on it solely. I mean is there anybody that used it already and became profitable by using it?