Trading Bitcoin futures seems way more appealing now that we’ve hit 100k, but that recent long liquidation was huge, reminding me of the wild days when volatility was through the roof. Meanwhile, spot traders are probably feeling good since we all know BTC is likely to climb back above 100k, and that drop just feels like a good chance to grab more. This is why I’m all about spot trading, especially with some events coming up to maximize earnings. Would love to hear any tips you guys might have on this...
When the price drops, do you sell at the peak, buy in more, or end up getting liquidated?
Bitcoin Price and Liquidation Thoughts
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Well it still votality even after reaching 100k though the movement is quite drastic but the market simulate a fast movement. Imagine at we already go back at 100k level easily.
Though I would suggest a spot trading cause future trade might be bad if aligned on a very quick wick of market.
For me it's the same, you are just reducing the risk when you are doing spot trading compared to the futures market. Only downside of spot trading, is you can only buy or long trade compared to futures market where you can short the market just incase you found some bearish sign of the Bitcoin market right now since we are on the peak prices.
alex.shardLegendary
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#4Mar 30, 2022, 07:02 PM
Those that got liquidated as bitcoin is falling below $90000 to $95000 are those that are using a very high leverage. If you used 10x leverage, the liquidation will be below $90500. If you used 5x, the liquidation will be around $80000. But they used more than 5x and up to or more than 10x leverage. If I am trading bitcoin, I make sure I do not use more than 5x leverage. I short and long it sometimes and make money from it if I am patient and also using a very low leverage.
raven_2014Full Member
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#5Mar 30, 2022, 11:17 PM
That's your own perspective though, and not a fan of buying and holding that much, because I believe that I can make more, when trading futures.
Trading my Bitcoin holdings like selling and hoping to buy when it deeps is something I really don't like because I believe that the way Bitcoin is being wired, it's more beneficial to hold for a very long period of time, so paying attention to it value now is pointless too me because I know for a fact that Bitcoin can go up to a million dollar in the future.
Then as on the aspect of trading, I don't like trading Bitcoin on futures market because the benefits are minimal comparing to when trading alt coin or meme coin on futures, and I love trading them mostly when the market is bleeding, because they mostly fall more than what you even plan, so shorting an alt or meme coin when the market is crashing is what I mostly do, because before Bitcoin crashes 5%, alt coin and meme coin might have crashes 10 to 15% already.
So in essence of all am trying to say is that my Bitcoin holdings are still intact, all this while that it price has been rallying upward, I have been trading futures, and playing blind eye on my Bitcoin holdings, because selling right now is not part of the plan.
All trading types are convenient to use, but different traders with different risky tolerant styles, will choose a trading type they want as their most favorite. Futures trading is very risky and depends on your position is long or short, with low or high leverage, your position can be liquidated. Price can fall down to $80,000 or move up to $150,000 but it does not help you anything if liquidation knocks your account and do its liquidation job.
Price even won't climb up back, won't make new ATHs, but with Spot trading, you won't lose your bitcoin. You can lose its equivalent value to Tether USD or US dollar, but you will always have your same bitcoin if you don't sell it or don't over trading and lose a lot to trading fees.
Price if won't climb up and make new ATHs in this market cycle, will do it in next market cycles and with Spot trading, you can wait for a very long time. Nevertheless, if you want to hold a very long time, withdraw your bitcoin off exchanges.
Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts
chrischainFull Member
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#7Mar 31, 2022, 10:32 AM
Truly, having such a leverage on BTC during the bull knocking - they asked for it.
Be vigilant, OP, and you will never experience such a thing.
You think so?
Maybe you should only count yourself lucky for not being part of those liquidated users, because the market has been volatile to liquidating accounts, even when you placed a stop loss, the more you do the more you're losing without having the market come towards the trade you made, future trading is somehow weird in terms of its patterns.
What will determine the fate we have in any position we take is the multiplier we put in for our trade, some can go as low as 1x and put in many fund, while some may take the higher risk by going for bigger multiplier and easily liquidate their asset.
On the day of that liquidation that you are referring to, I was not trading BTC but I rather I was in a long position for XRP and what happened is that I was liquidated.
For the Bitcoin that am holding, I already took profit more than than twice now because when the price surged to $104k, I already knew that the price will also plunge below $100k and I sold off, then luckily I bought back at around $90k+ and still sold at $100k and bought again around $94k. Despite that I trade futures option, I don't under estimate my Bitcoin holding. Trading is more risk than hold, so it's not for every one.
Gig4L3dgerMember
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#10Apr 4, 2022, 12:57 AM
Trading with futures is the dumbest thing to do during bullrun since the price swing is strong both ways. Its the way of some shitty exchange to shake-off position until it reach the common liquidation price of most open positions.
Trading on spot is much better because you will never suffer liquidation and at the same time enjoy the consistent price growth without any worries that your holdings will be liquidated while youre asleep.
Id rather put my money on gambling instead of taking risk on futures which I didnt enjoy once liquidated considering that it has same risk already.
Your question needs refining because no one would pick or select the liquidation choice, and no one wants to have that voluntarily. It is essential to navigate and know what you are capable of and have set limits regarding how much you would be willing to risk. It will be a choice whether you could go the distance where you have a lot of positions or have specific positions and manage them.
No one can see what will happen with the price, but having the correct targets and risk management should keep you alive in this volatile market.
viper_blockSenior Member
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#12Apr 4, 2022, 10:50 AM
We always want to sell at the top but unfortunately, it will be difficult to get that chance because we don't know how high the price will be. We can only determine when we can sell our coins at a certain level price and take profit and if the price still increases, we don't have regret it. We can make more profit if we keep trying to buy back at a low price and sell at a high price. And if we repeat that process, our profit will be bigger.
That will work for future and spot trading but you should have skills to analyze the market. Spot trading will be safer than future trading because you can still hodl your coin if you miss the time to sell. You can sell it later at the next high price so you will have more chances to get a big profit especially if you can buy back more amount when the price is down.
I came from the price of the bitcoin with 60k so I guess taking profit is an ideal thing to deal with than losing most of your asset of being greedy imagine the price of the bitcoin already with 100k and if you think its enough already just make another position or else you are heading with the bitcoin for more in the next coming years after the halving again. I did take profit after the bitcoin surpass its 100k and make another position for the next season of the ETH and altcoins, still holding few BTC.
$100k was everyone's target for bitcoin so I think most of the investors who were already holding bitcoins sold once the price of bitcoin crossed $100k. And everyone is looking forward to the next bear season. We know that bear season will come again for Bitcoin and all other coins so it is better to wait for it than to panic and invest again in this bull season. In case of futures trading you can take entry both long and short so it is also not a bad option but you must always trade with low leverage for fund safety.
vault_2009Full Member
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#15Apr 6, 2022, 12:17 PM
Not entirely sure, I mean I do not trade futures so that is why that is not really something I care about at all, it is not a big deal for me and I wouldn't mind that.
However, when the time comes and I want to sell my regular investments, that would be a lot higher than this, 100k is nowhere near where I think it should stop, we are going to see the price change a lot more and we are going to see a lot more price action first. That has to be the most important part and we are going to end up with much better action and increase, like all the way to 150k and more so that is why I wouldn't really suggest selling right now. But, I would also suggest not making moves on your crypto account based on what other strangers online tell you.
boss_wizardSenior Member
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#16Apr 6, 2022, 06:26 PM
I just think that trading future right now is too risky, too much flash dump, basically you get liquidated for something that go down in seconds and recover back the next minute, thinking about that just put me off from trading future currently already.
the problem is, as of now there are plenty of whales that tries to sell their bags, although just minority though if i'm being honest since most of the bitcoin are still dormant and I presume since institutional investors keep buying BTC non-stop i'd expect these whales to have no bitcoin anymore.
but their sell offs does put a lot of pressure to the market right now, nobody knows if we are in distribution phase or not, things are still unclear so expect there to be more and more flash dump, doesn't mean we switching to downtrend though.
It's the same market but Bitcoin price recovers after corrections, flash dumps and your capital will be safe if you hold your bitcoin in non custodial wallets or hold it in centralized exchanges with Spot accounts.
The second storage choice is not too safe, because centralized exchanges have private keys and they control your bitcoin. You will need them to approve your withdrawal requests to access your bitcoin. If possible, store your bitcoin off exchanges, in non custodial and open source wallets.
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If you have good ablity to get profit with investment or with Spot trading, don't use Margin or Futures Tradings because these trading types are very volatile and with leverages, it contains more danger than Spot trading. With Spot, no liquidation but oppositely with Margin and Futures trading, liquidation can make your capital vapors within couple of minutes or faster several seconds.
It is true that futures have an impact on the spot price of Bitcoin, especially when the liquidation time approaches, but this does not mean that these contracts can make the price drop significantly. They will create price pressures against levels above $100,000, but we will not see a deep correction below $94,000 due to futures contracts alone.
Any kind of futures trading with higher than x1 leverage and trading with a short position is gambling with your capital where you don't know the house edge of the game. As you increase the leverage, your potential reward increases too but risk of you losing your capital is increasing as well.
Spot trading is the safest trading method. When I think that price might go down, instead of opening a short position on futures, I wait for the dip and then buy it on the spot market. Futures trading is very risky, even if during the bear market, the price can significantly pump for a few minutes, which can be enough to liquidate your short position.
To sum up, I try to sell at top and wait for the dip to buy again and repeat.
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#20Apr 11, 2022, 03:55 AM
I prefer to keep quiet not to say anything about futures trading activities, whether they get what they expect or not. I tend to trade spot. In spot trading, they smile because they can get a good return from the purchase price which is certainly at a price much cheaper than $100K.
Of course yes. Sell at the current price with usdt pair to be ready when the "dip" happens again.
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