Bitcoin's real appeal: it's not about the super cycle, but sticking to the plan

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grimdeg3nMember
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#1Jun 5, 2017, 04:57 AM
So if Bitcoin actually breaks away from that four-year supply shock pattern because of some new stuff, and prices just keep going up without any drops or it becomes this super smooth macro asset, it would show that the original supply control has been weakened. The real hardcore Bitcoin is the one that, no matter how many institutions jump in, no matter if the U.S. starts hoarding it, or how recognized it gets globally, still halves every four years like clockwork and continues to have wild price swings (up or down) at times due to supply and demand shifts. That’s what it means to stick to the game plan, regardless of market conditions. If we end up having a super cycle that’s permanent (and no clear four-year bear market), then honestly, it’s not that thrilling. It would mean Bitcoin has moved away from being this "strict fixed issuance discipline experiment" to just being another asset swayed by macro liquidity, which kind of dilutes what makes it special. On the flip side, if we still see a classic “retracement” like we should around the next halving in 2028, or even another big bear market despite all the hype and high prices, that would actually show that Bitcoin’s design can really take the heat; it survives not based on narratives but on code. $BTC
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matrix365Senior Member
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#2Jun 5, 2017, 08:49 AM
There is a conspiracy theory that the four-year cycle no longer works accurate this cycle and even is no longer valid this cycle. There are many people who are mentioning about a super cycle for this cycle, and it hypes people in the market a lot. However, before anything changes, history changes, the super cycle is only on the paper and online discussions while we only know it actually changes Bitcoin history if the years of 2026 and 2027 won't be bearish years according to classic four-year cycle. Hardcore Bitcoin investors don't care about super cycle existence in one cycle as they already witnessed Bitcoin super cycle since 2009 and in their imagination, they already vision a very long super cycle for Bitcoin in many Bitcoin halvings ahead. They have deep knowledge, enough experience, and very strong belief in Bitcoin future, so that they only see super cycle for Bitcoin long term growth. They know that what happens in four or five years is only small part of Bitcoin super growth.
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paul.stakeHero Member
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#3Jun 5, 2017, 01:58 PM
A super cycle is not going to happen. Institutions have realized that bitcoin is the apex predator asset and are on a mission to acquire most bitcoin over the long term. There are roughly 8 million bitcoin still held by individuals, and there's no way the elite let a super cycle happen with more than a third of the supply owned by random people. They first acquire the 8 million through a period of 10-20 years, and then the price can go to $10 million.   It is also likely that the four-year cycle is just gone for a variety of reasons that I explained in here.
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matrix365Senior Member
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#4Jun 5, 2017, 07:38 PM
I believe like you did as institutional investors are smart and they don't actually need to change the game. While they know very well about Bitcoin protocol design with 4 year halving (each 210,000 blocks) that is amazingly working for Bitcoin and its market cycle. They can manipulate the market for having kind of profit each annual year even in a bearish year, while in long term they can do their market manipulations based on the Bitcoin 4-year cycle that already exists and does not need to be changed entirely to a super cycle. By the way, any super cycle has to end somehow as no asset can have a super cycle that start and last forever without any correction and bear market for re-accumulation and reset the game.
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s33d_moonFull Member
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#5Jun 6, 2017, 01:22 AM
I don’t think Bitcoin is headed for some permanent regime where cycles just disappear. What’s really changing is who’s holding it. Large institutions seem to have realized this isn’t something you time perfectly but something you steadily accumulate. That doesn’t cancel the halving or volatility, it just means drawdowns get met by stronger demand. The protocol keeps its discipline and the market slowly adapts to it not the other way around.
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matrix365Senior Member
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#6Jun 6, 2017, 01:42 AM
In past cycles, people made mistakes by raising their price targets higher and higher with time, and they also thought of "this time the market will be different than past cycles", and we all knew about what happened with past market cycles. The four-year cycle worked well in past cycles and I don't bet my money and decions with my bitcoin by believing in "this time is different" and "this time Bitcoin will have a super cycle". Investors must have knowledge about the market, its history, its cycle and make their investment plans from both entries to withdrawals based on history. What will change belongs to the future, and I don't bet anything that future will have different market cycle than how Bitcoin has had so far since 2009. When there is a super cycle, there will be another big question, how long will a super cycle last? Nobody can answer that at the present.
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cobra_2015Full Member
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#7Jun 6, 2017, 07:25 AM
The effect of changing the supply of Bitcoin due to halving will decrease with each cycle, so you will notice that the super cycle actually occurred between 2010 and 2018, and since that date the cycles have become less and less frequent until they have no effect within 12-15 years.
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ColdLynxMember
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#8Jun 6, 2017, 01:20 PM
I totally agree with the key idea. The real strength of Bitcoin is not price increasing forever, but the unbending nature of the rules. Halvings do happen on schedule, volatility showing up when there is clash in supply and demand, and painful drawdowns are not bugs but features. When Bitcoin becomes a smooth just up macro asset, then at some point it that which made it different from fiat driven markets. Protocols should be riden by narratives and institutions, and not rewrite it. The future where Bitcoin will still retrace, still punish excess, and still shock the market no matter the international adoption would really confirm its integrity. Bitcoin showing prove that it obeys code rather than comfort is much more bullish than any permanent super cycle.
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chris.altHero Member
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#9Jun 6, 2017, 07:07 PM
No, that's false. Bitcoin's "supply limit" is the main factor that creates "supply discipline", not the ever-weaker variances created by halvings. The weakening of the halving effect is pure math and thus there is nothing to worry nor to cry about some "lost uniqueness". And demand is always part of the scarcity equation. In my opinion, there was only one "cycle" where the halving-driven supply imbalance was a major factor: 2012/13. That was the time where the halving drastically accelerated the transition from CPU/GPU mining to ASIC mining. It was still retailer-driven, but not everybody with a decent machine could create Bitcoins anymore on his PC. This created strong buy pressure, as most retailers now had to buy on exchanges. The 2016 halving was probably still a minor catalyst of the 2017 bull run, but by far the most relevant factor in my opinion was the general popularization and adoption, also driven by altcoins like Ethereum (sorry, maxis ). Bitcoin adoption is also a factor not tied directly to "macro liquidity". It can also be driven by factors like usefulness/utility and by local and regional preferences. See also this thread.
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