BTC ETFs Experience Almost 1B Outflow. Are We Entering a Bear Market?

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max.gweiMember
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#1Oct 16, 2023, 06:13 PM
So, spot Bitcoin ETFs saw about $1.11 billion leave during the week ending Nov. 14. This marks the third week in a row of net withdrawals. On Thursday alone, there was an outflow of roughly $869.9 million, making it the second-largest outflow in ETF history. Most of that cash came from products like BlackRock’s IBIT, which had around $256 million pulled out, and Grayscale’s Mini Trust with $318 million yanked on the same day. Meanwhile, Bitcoin's price dipped below $97,000, which really highlights how these outflows are linked to price drops. All this seems to point to a decline in institutional interest, increased macro risks, and could signal the start of a “mini” bear market for BTC.
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defi_2017Senior Member
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#2Oct 16, 2023, 10:12 PM
For me, that doesn't prove that we're in a bear market; that remains to be seen. Certainly not in a bull market either. But for me, what it shows is, for the umpteenth time, that retail investors do the opposite of what they should do: they buy at the peak and sell at the first sign of trouble, as in this case.
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CyberFalconFull Member
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#3Oct 17, 2023, 04:15 AM
We can't judge a bear market by comparing it with ETF inflow and outflow. It could change at any time, this normal behaviour of the market. Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency due to its volatility, so we can't ignore the market sentiment. We can see ETF inflow at any time, and the market would move upwards as well. This isn't the time to judge the bear market, because we haven't even seen the bull market for alts yet. If Bitcoin dumps below the $70-$60K zone, then we can say we are in the bear market. Though we can see a large number of outflows from the ETF market, but we can still see institutions are buying Bitcoin. Some retail investors are also in fear; hence, they are selling Bitcoin. As a result, Bitcoin seems to keep dumping, but I don't agree this is a bear season at all. When the market dumps, we just become panicked and think a bear started. But after a few days or weeks, we regret not accumulating Bitcoin. So I will say accumulate Bitcoin by following the DCA strategy. Don't think much about the bear; it hasn't started yet.
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john.cobraHero Member
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#4Oct 17, 2023, 04:48 AM
You have to be realistic about some things - almost 30 000 BTC worth about $3 billion have been sold in the last 30 days when it comes to US spot BTC ETFs. Such a trend has not been seen since the beginning of this year, so although it does not necessarily mean that the outflow will continue, at this moment it is obvious that this has an extremely negative effect on the price. Given that these funds still have around 1.3 million BTC, if their clients continue to sell, it is logical that the price of BTC will only go down. Let's be honest, such accumulation by these funds is the reason why we reached the price of $100k.
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paul.ninjaFull Member
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#5Oct 17, 2023, 08:04 AM
ETFs spitting out a billion in a week sounds dramatic, but in context it's basically "some folks took profits after a face-melting run". That's not the same thing as "welcome to multi-year bear winter, grab your parka". These are open-ended funds: if IBIT dumps coins today and in three weeks they're hoovering them back up at higher prices, the chart just shows "flows were negative that week", not the grand mood of "institutional demand forever". You're mostly seeing rebalancing and hot money rotating out after a vertical move. I'm with Don Pedro and Cryptovator on the core point, you can't diagnose a full bear market from one metric, especially something as noisy as ETF flows. Retail absolutely has a habit of buying the fireworks and selling the first red candle, but that happens every cycle. I like to watch the structure (are we putting in lower highs and lower lows over months, are macro conditions actually shifting, are derivatives markets blowing up, that kind of thing). A dip from six digits to high five digits after an ETF-driven melt-up is just... Bitcoin doing Bitcoin.
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s33d_moonFull Member
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#6Oct 17, 2023, 12:03 PM
Personally, I think it's actually a red flag when ETF flows flip negative for three weeks straight especially when it lines up with price sliding under $97k. That kind of correlation usually signals real structural selling rather than panic from retail. That said, I also think it's it might be premature to call this a bear marke. The last time I checked, Bitcoin is still sitting far above its long-term trend levels and macro sentiment hasn’t flipped completely risk-off yet. This could be a mid-cycle shakeout, the type that forces leverage out of the system before the next up trend begins. I will pay more attention to how ETFs behave over the next 2–3 weeks before drawing conclusions.
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p1x3l365Senior Member
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#7Oct 19, 2023, 02:34 AM
Massive outflows of Bitcoin Spot ETFs are bad as the outflows bring more money out of the Bitcoin market in short term with uncertainty that when they will be back. In addition, there is emotional and psychological effects on the market too and people who have bad investment capital management as well as risk management will be affected very negatively. The psychological effects when a market cycle seems to go to its ending are very stressful and possibly make many weak handed investors or degen gamblers in this market to get out by themselves or be liquidated by the market and exchanges. With senior investors, it's normal with them as they are experienced with this market and also manage risk properly, however it is very big stress test for newbie investors in the market. Newbie investors have to learn with own experience and the coming months will be important for their survival and succes in this market.
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chad2014Full Member
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#8Oct 19, 2023, 03:31 AM
I find that these flows are always lagging. Usually when bitcoin pumps and then you will later see positive flows and the same is true for the opposite. When we have a bearish week you will see negative flows. So you cant really guage market sentiment on those indicators. Most retail investors who hold IBIT, most likely wont buy any dips, they will either sell or they will wait for price to start to rally. That is why there are negative flows on red days because many of those retail investors panic and they sell their shares, but you cant use it as a tool to predict future price action because those ETF outflows only happen during down days.
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