Ethereum as a Predictor: Potential Bitcoin Downtrend

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chad100Senior Member
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#1Jan 8, 2017, 10:38 AM
So, analysts are looking at two potential paths for Bitcoin right now. It could either shoot up past 80k or dip below 75k. The Ethereum price movements seem to be a solid indicator for BTC's next steps. Ethereum's been on a downward trend for the last ten days. Even though it usually moves in sync with Bitcoin, with a correlation between 70% and 95%, Ethereum has dipped three times in the past five years while Bitcoin was climbing. And guess what? Each time, Bitcoin eventually followed Ethereum down. Still, these dips didn’t shift the overall trend for Bitcoin. Right now, we might be headed into a two-year growth phase, especially with the halving event coming up.
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w1z4rd100Senior Member
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#2Jan 8, 2017, 04:41 PM
I'm surprised now that Bitcoin will follow Ethereum instead of Ethereum and other altcoins will follow Bitcoin. So, for me, since the Bitcoin Dominance is still high and bullish for me, I totally don't agree with this. I'm still not convinced we will see some altcoins' bullish moves in the near future, especially since Bitcoin is trying to get back to $100,000. I am still expecting altcoins or even Ethereum to have a hard time catching up.
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chris.altHero Member
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#3Jan 8, 2017, 09:18 PM
I don't agree that the last chart shows that "Bitcoin follows Ethereum". What I see instead is that ETH is much more volatile and much less bullish than Bitcoin (ETH didn't really achieve a new ATH in 2025). In the last dump in early 2025, at the first glance it looks like the ETH dump anticipates the BTC dump. But in reality, the ETH dump occurred at the time of a small BTC dump. Then a larger BTC dump followed, but ETH dumped even much further down. And the difference between chart 1 and chart 2 is NOT that Bitcoin didn't dump when Ethereum dumped in mid-May (it actually dumped a bit, with less volatility than ETH of course,, from 82k to 76k). Instead what occurred is that Bitcoin pumped to a new 3-month high of 82k in early May, while Ethereum wasn't able to score a new temporary high.
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chad100Senior Member
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#4Jan 9, 2017, 03:30 AM
You’re right, Bitcoin definitely dominates the market. Because of this, when a market-wide sell-off begins, Bitcoin tends to drop much slower or even hold its ground, while Ethereum tanks under intense selling pressure. However, when a crash is driven by macro fundamentals, Bitcoin isn't immune—it will drop too. It's just that Ethereum usually breaks down first, and BTC eventually follows suit. This specific dynamic only plays out in a declining market.
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chad100Senior Member
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#5Jan 9, 2017, 06:41 AM
The divergence you noticed is actually an even stronger bearish signal for Bitcoin. When ETH failed to make new local highs, it was already clear that $82K would be the local top for Bitcoin in the current trend. From here, we can expect a correction and a sideways range until the next major fundamental catalysts come into play
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eric23Senior Member
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#6Jan 9, 2017, 10:25 AM
This is a basic reality that every random investor knows to be true because in either way, there are two things that can always happen to bitcoin at this point. It's either the price goes above $80k or comes below $80k which is around the $75k range. With or without the way Ethereum is currently moving, it doesn't still mean it's regulating tye direction of bitcoin. Moreover, the last time I checked, bitcoin has been the one influencing the movement of other coins and not the other way round so we can sure expect bitcoin to move in it own way and not in the direction of any coin including Ethereum.
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chad100Senior Member
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#7Jan 9, 2017, 04:12 PM
Yes, absolutely, Bitcoin holds sway over the entire crypto market. But that’s exactly why it’s worth noting that the second-largest coin is showing a completely different dynamic right now. I’ve already laid out why Ethereum is dropping, and why Bitcoin will eventually follow suit
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laser51Full Member
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#8Jan 9, 2017, 07:39 PM
Bitcoin in no way will follow pattern from ethereum, when this same ethereum has been battling with market performance over some years now without making all time high, while there's no indication is showing that bitcoin is going to go after the trend with ethereum performance, I seriously doubt on this, bitcoin may fall quite alright but not after the pattern of ethereum that has been unpredictable for years now.
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chris.altHero Member
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#9Jan 10, 2017, 08:51 AM
Sorry I don't see that in the chart at all. The pattern Ethereum to fail to score new highs while Bitcoin does was actually quite common even in the few years you observe in your chart. The best example is the macro trend in 2021-25 (Ethereum: sideways between 1500 and 4800 - large amplitude but no new highs, Bitcoin: first fall down to 15000 but then new high). But then you also have short term examples, like in late 2024, when Ethereum failed to score a local high while Bitcoin did. Late 2021 is another example. While I agree that altcoins are sometimes an indicator that retailer interest is waning, Bitcoin very much operates independently from that since the increased institutional involvement from 2020/21 on. And in bearish phases, most of the time Ethereum follows Bitcoin and not vice versa.
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#10Jan 10, 2017, 03:03 PM
Great observation out there, since ETH often move slower than Bitcoin, also For many scenarios we see Bitcoin break new ATH while ETH fail to surpass its past peaks. That scenario happened on year 2021 - 2025 often proves that ETH continue to move on sideways, while BTC drop at 15k then it rally and hit its new ATH. Same situation also happen on late 2024 and late year 2021, which BTC also reach new local highs while ETH disappoint people for not having any movement. Those altcoins may reflect the sentiments of retail investor, but since year 2020 - 2021 Bitcoin move independently thru help of institutional inflows. In bearish market phases ETH usually follow BTC movement and not other way around. Those independence what Bitcoin have really point out on why Bitcoin continue to became a market driver.
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#11Jan 10, 2017, 04:26 PM
I also hope you don't get convinced by the Ops speculation because from what had been in experienced in the crypto market it is the alt coins market that had been imitating bitcoin with its market cap still dominating the digital assets. And yes there used to be some moments of alt coins seasons but does not leave analysts traceable records to predetermine it as a traditional event just as bitcoin has been sustaining with the every 4 years cycle.
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