I hit 38 bitcoin in one night but had to return it.

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chain2014Full Member
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#1Jul 3, 2022, 09:35 PM
I was on this crazy 9-hour roulette session using a strategy that just kept bringing in the wins, no real losses at all. I had it set on auto-bet and seriously, it wouldn’t lose more than 3 times in a row. This went on for 9 hours straight. Around 3 hours in, when I was up about 8 or 9 BTC, I actually reached out to live chat and mentioned I might’ve found a glitch since I was winning way too much. Yeah, I did that. I kept winning and once I hit 15 BTC, I started to withdraw some funds. But after taking out 5 BTC, they froze my account. I could still play but couldn’t withdraw anything else. The admin reached out when I had 38 BTC and admitted that I had talked him into it and there was indeed a bug. In the end, they let me keep 6.5 BTC and I got to keep my XP points. They called it a bug bounty. Honestly, I still can’t believe it. What do you guys think? Really appreciate all the responses. Honestly, I never even thought about keeping the bug to myself because I didn’t want to screw over the casino since they’ve been super generous to me. Their bonuses and daily giveaways are amazing, and I’ve been playing there for a couple of years. Just to be real, I’m in the US and they don’t even let US players in. I could’ve been told to hit the road with nothing. I started with 1.5 ETH and ended up with about 6 BTC. Not a bad run at all. I know you all probably know the place I’m talking about. It’s a fair operation, no doubt about it, the awesome Bitsler. Baryom was my contact there. Only thing that kinda leaves a sour taste is...
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SilentBridgeSenior Member
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#2Jul 4, 2022, 03:39 AM
Depends on the site and if 6.5 btc is a lot of money to you, especially if you didn't deposit much... It was probably a wise idea to report the bug, if you really want to you could try asking them for the extra as a form of bouty for finding the bug but since legally you can normally only claim a finders fee of 10% on lost funds then the 6.5 is probably pretty reasonable.
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L0neDegenSenior Member
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#3Jul 4, 2022, 06:32 AM
I think that it was pretty much reasonable. Abusing bugs is usually not allowed. It's common sense. I don't know though if it's covered by ToS and how is it covered by law.
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whale365Senior Member
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#4Jul 4, 2022, 08:55 AM
I agree, you're lucky that they gave you a hefty reward for exploring their system. However, since you didn't name the website, we can't really say if you have the legality to go after them and chase the rest of your winnings, but I would say that it is very reasonable on their part.
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the_sageFull Member
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#5Jul 4, 2022, 01:37 PM
It's a quite large bounty you've received for a bug that you've found. It's a double-edged sword though. When Amazon had a bug selling $10k items for under $100, Amazon did not cancel their orders and accepted that the fault was on their side so it would make no sense to cancel them. When I go to a physical exchange and do not count the money in front of the worker after I receive it, I cannot say "hey, you didn't give me the correct amount!" because it was my own fault for not counting it, right? Therefore, I wonder what would've happened if OP never knew it was a bug and thought it was just their extremely lucky day for gambling. If OP never told them about the bug, they would've probably let him withdraw the entire amount.
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L0neDegenSenior Member
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#6Jul 4, 2022, 02:00 PM
And it could have been accused of stealing, since exploiting bugs to get money is some sort of stealing, after all. Also the probability to withdraw all is not that big unless OP caught all the onwer(s)/admin(s) away for all that time. And big amount withdrawals are usually verified by a human.
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mark_forkFull Member
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#7Jul 4, 2022, 07:08 PM
^ Definitely right, but that was a great action when OP reported a possible bug in the system though I am positive that somehow you feel disappointed back then for you lose more than 30 bitcoins because of a bug. Try considering it that you did it in good faith and no one will experience the same as you do besides 6.5 of bitcoins is not bad at all. And the only thing I want to suggest is since you reported a bug you should have asked at least a compensation for doing it may be a few bitcoins but not the whole 38 bitcoins anymore.
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SilentBridgeSenior Member
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#8Jul 5, 2022, 12:40 AM
If he didn't kyc or anything though then they could've done nothing to get their funds back, the 6.55 is still a nice amount if most of it was a profit on top and of he had kycd or used his own ip then they'd be able to track op down so he could've faced more problems by not declaring it (legal fees on top for example).
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0xAltMember
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#9Jul 5, 2022, 04:03 AM
Abusing bugs is not sort of stealing its stealing outright and most gambling websites will have it in their terms of service that abusing bugs will result in money not being paid out and anyone caught may have their accounts banned. OP does this gambling website still exist? They should have given you some compensation at least but I am guessing that the website was amateurish and did not have any bug bounties and they probably did not have it in their terms of service which then brings up the question whether it would be legal. I have read numerous gambling sites and they all have this get out of jail free card but if you report the bug they usually give some compensation.
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pixel_cobraFull Member
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#10Jul 5, 2022, 04:46 AM
Certainly he must be lucky for finding a bug and got 6.5 BTC more. Right?  so all in all he got 11.5 BTC?   Must be a big loss from the casino if he had withdraw the 38 BTC. I wonder which casino is this. The casino would probably investigate the account first and see how it got that much BTC still after his first 5BTC withdrawal.
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BasedGasHero Member
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#11Jul 5, 2022, 05:10 AM
If you won all those bitcoins just because of the bug then actually it is not yours, but if they have no such rules in their terms of service then you can take legal action and also you can ask other veterans member of bitcointalk if they have support staff in bitcointalk.
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ben_lynxMember
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#12Jul 5, 2022, 10:40 AM
It looks like a noble way, but i am not yet clear with the site in which you played and if someone from the site acknowledge that it was indeed a bug and you made the right decision, it would be great to hear. With they way to said, it is not clear whether you exploited anything to win those, it looks like you used some kind of bot and you kept on winning huge number. @Hopefully you will not start a thread selling your magic bot in the future   . Move this thread to gambling discussion.
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0xAltMember
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#13Jul 5, 2022, 04:31 PM
It sounds like the gambling site was a amateurish setup and I doubt their identities or company would be easily tracked down and proving there was no terms of service stating whether or not it was stated would be difficult with the site no longer existing. This would probably be a difficult court case to win and might end up with costing the OP money.
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BasedGasHero Member
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#14Jul 5, 2022, 05:09 PM
If they let the OP to withdraw that 6.5BTC then they probably a legit site, just maybe a new one even with old sites we can we get this kind of bugs.
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real_pixelSenior Member
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#15Jul 5, 2022, 06:38 PM
What's that casino? 6.5 BTC for a bounty is already sounded good for you although, you feel bad that you have to return the rest which is a higher amount but that's fine because it's not an actual win for you. However, you just did the right thing.
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dan_shardMember
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#16Jul 7, 2022, 12:11 AM
Stop being greedy 6.5 BTC  it's enough for you and  maybe it's your luck for this year its good for the bug report but being paid for that depend on the project strategy
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paul4tlasFull Member
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#17Jul 7, 2022, 01:03 AM
Hadn't heard of that story before. But amazon can afford to make that mistake. Dont know if this particular casino can. Did OP ever mention which online casino this was? I know of some casino operators saying they are breaking even and not making much profit at all. But I like to think of this as just a myth.
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tony_bridgeFull Member
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#18Jul 7, 2022, 04:57 AM
I do still appreciate on how honest you are and its pretty rare for someone to tell on what they have discovered because most of the time they will surely abuse it and gradually make some withdrawals to avoid KYC or being detected by the system. They are quite generous on giving out 6.5 btc as some bounty reward on said bug.Just be grateful that you have received something unexpectedly rather than have nothing at all. $60k is not something that most people can have. Just like whats said above, im bit curious on which casino youve been talking on?
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t0m2020Senior Member
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#19Jul 7, 2022, 07:47 AM
Not an expert but I think the letter of the law might side either way, depending on the judgment. But the spirit of the law, which usually prevails, will take into account that you played on suspecting there was a bug, so had you not informed, would likely have ruled against you. You probably made one of the best possible decisions, and got the best possible outcome. The better decision would probably have been to inform the casino before any withdrawals and negotiate. Fair game you won a bug bounty out of it. @jackg: I didn't know there was a legal specification for this 10%, where did you find it?
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#20Jul 7, 2022, 10:35 AM
Say the name of casino. We need to know our "heroes". Many fraudful casinos like to block users at the time of withdrawing a large amount of money from the casino. Nothing new
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