A lot of folks in the bitcoin community, myself included, are debating whether taking out loans to invest in bitcoin is a smart move, especially during a bull market or when prices are expected to soar. Some people believe that borrowing could boost your profits if the prices go up, but others highlight that having to pay back those loans can put a lot of pressure on you if the market turns against you. Honestly, I'm more on the cautious side, but I’m curious to hear what others think about this.
So here’s the main question: is borrowing money to invest a wise financial tactic or does it just lead to unnecessary risks?
Is Taking Out Loans for Bitcoin a Good Move or a Risky Gamble?
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alex.shardLegendary
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#2Apr 6, 2018, 12:04 AM
The profit in taking loan is huge. If you do not pay the loan on time, the more the amount of money that you will have to pay. It is better to hold bitcoin for a long period of time like 2 or 3 years or more. The loan interest would have increased significantly which is the reason I am against it. It is better not to take a loan to invest in bitcoin.
But if the person is working and earning enough, the person can borrow money. A good example is someone that can pay the money that is borrowed within a month or two months. But if the person do not have means to pay the loan fast, the person should not take the loan.
In general I do not like taking loan to invest in bitcoin which will be my advise but if the person can pay the loan fast from his earning, he can borrow.
Borrowing is a form of financial leverage in itself (1:1). If your goal is to double your profits, you should also be aware that your collateral will be liquidated if the asset value drops by approximately 45%, since most lenders will lend you 90% of the value of your collateral. If youre in it for the long haul, keep in mind that interest is often calculated daily, regardless of the interest rate. Interest adds to the burden of the debt if it isnt paid off.
I know the interest rate seems relatively low, but keep in mind that you also need an acceptable return. If all this risk results in an additional 5% annual profit, dont take the risk just stick to risking the principal amount if it rises or falls without collateral or a periodic interest rate on the loan.
tony.ravenMember
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#4Apr 6, 2018, 03:37 AM
It put investors under unnecessary risk especially when your only means of repaying that loan depends on the profit you make from the investment, that will be too risky the interest in most cases might be higher than the profit you might later get and there is also a high chance you might sell off below purchase price if you are being pressured by who you took the loan from, unless it's in a situation where you depends on other source to repay the laon instead of from your investment.. it's better to sell property you own and you are not making use of and invest than to take a loan.
Ive seen this kind of debate and I will still stand with is not smart to use loan to invest in bitcoin . Doing so shows that you are not ready to build and you are so focus on making profits. Bitcoin has made it easier to a lot of folks to start investing with any amount they can afford they dont have to go extra mile to afford no matter how small Aslong is their discretionary income they are good to go . Going for loan will only add more pressure to your investment journey and stuff .
Totally, it's not.
But I'll give you a thought why others are trying to do that. They have the money and the cash flow but they don't want to spend that money and so, they think it's wise for them to take a loan that they can pay the due with their cash flow.
Take note of that, they have a cash flow that is continuous and they're not problematic of paying it. Which means whoever wants to do it must have a means to pay it without having a financial stress or they have the actual amount but they're making a leverage of the banks money for it that they'll pay later.
I guess people think that simplifying it into taking a loan, and buying it directly with Bitcoin is their mere plan without any back up plans or how they'd clear the debt and they're unable to do it because they don't have a good cash flow.
quantumbearHero Member
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#7Apr 6, 2018, 12:36 PM
It would be highly unwise of the person to borrow money not for business but for investment on risky assets. Not just a risky asset but for investment that are not businesses. People can borrow money for businesses. Anyone that does something like that is highly foolish if he is unable to pay the money from other sorces than depending on the profit from the bitcoin investment. Rich men borrow money to bypass heavy taxes and they make money from other sources to pay back the money.
Back in 2017 when a friend wanted to learn Crypto in its entirety. He asked me: what if I borrow money to buy Bitcoin? Then I answered firmly, I will not teach you if the money you will use is the result of a loan.
I really disagree, if the loan proceeds are made to buy or to invest Bitcoin. Since basically Bitcoin or Crypto as a whole has high volatility, there is no guarantee of profit there. It would be a nightmare forever if the loan proceeds were made to buy Bitcoin, and then the price fell. Especially until the debt payment is due, it could be a mental pressure if it really happens.
I think someone who doesn't have a fixed monthly income yet, shouldn't be in a hurry to own Bitcoin or any other Crypto asset, because the role of Money Management is important before deciding to make an Investment.
It's not a smart strategy but a financial trap because loan comes with collateral and interest, if not being able to pay back, it becomes a problem to you and your investment.
Instead of taking a loan get another paying job that can add to your earnings, like a part- time to avoid loan because when you loan, the interest can force you to sell your coins prematurely if you are unable to pay back at the given time, that is why it is good to invest in Bitcoin with what you can afford to lose .
t0ny.vectorSenior Member
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#10Apr 6, 2018, 08:25 PM
This is a very strange question to ask in this way, and those that are saying that it is not a good idea under any circumstance are just wrong. They do not understand loans and have not evaluated this fairly. Let me ask the same question for another scenario. Is taking a loan to buy a home a smart financial strategy or does it expose individuals to unnecessary risk? The answer is always it depends. Loans are not issue in themselves and it does not even matter what you will use it for in regards to risk, even if there are things that can be judged as better or worse. To answer where it is unnecessary risk depends on the credit and income situation of the person. What borrowing money does is buy you time in exchange for paying more. So for example instead of waiting 5 years to buy up the whole amount, you could take a consumer loan and buy it all now and then pay back the loan over this period of time. When interest rates are low, borrowing money is very much recommended as long as it fits your financial profile. When interest rates are high, it is most likely the case that the calculation will show that borrowing the money would not be a good idea.
There is not a single scenario in which a reasonable loan will lead to such a default. In well advanced countries you would not even be able to get such a loan if they determine that they think you will not be able to pay it back. This is false information. If you take a loan knowingly which is very hard or impossible for you to pay back, this is not an issue with loan taking but is a personal error. Do not attribute personal errors to good mechanisms that exist in the financial world. Rich people take on debt all the time, practically every successful company has debt all the time even if they do not need it.
This is not correct and is an example of wrong loan taking. If I take a loan for $50 000, it does not matter what the price of Bitcoin is during the period of mu loan repayments. A good example will have monthly loan repayments that are covered by my salary with plenty of extra room in case something happens. It is like saying if you buy a house with loaned money, and the price of the house market crashes right after that you have now mental pressure. It does not make sense because the loan repayment is not related to the house value at all, but to your income which are completely different streams.
Only if a person takes out a loan with the expectation to pay it back from the appreciation of value in Bitcoin during the repayment period of the loan would this become an issue. But taking out a loan on such an assumption is always wrong, so we need to make differences with these cases. I know people who have taken loans correctly and not without this assumption. Those that did so for Bitcoin it has worked out good, those that did it for some shitcoins it did not work out. In neither case did the people have to sell anything to repay the loan.
Using a loan to purchase BTC or any other crypto, stocks, bonds, IMF shares, etc is a huge risk and all too often a bad idea. Would you get a loan to finance going to a casino? For all of the above the Golden Rule to remember is NEVER SPEND/INVEST MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE! Period.
Yeah you MAY get Lucky and weather any storms between buying in and cashing out but...
t0ny.vectorSenior Member
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#12Apr 7, 2018, 07:39 PM
But normal loans are not about spending more than you can afford to lose, only people taking out loans the wrong way end up in such a position. For example if you have discretionary income of $1000 per month, then you can take any loan that requires a $500 monthly payment or even more especially if you come from a sound industry and never had an issues to get another job or a better job which is likely the case for someone who has that much discretionary income. Rich people take out loans all the time and when done in the right way they never represent anything significantly risky because they align with what they are able to pay or they are structured in ways that could not harm them significantly. The key difference between the environment in which the rich find themselves is that they have more flexibility in structuring their options and will have better interest rates. For example depending on the circumstance, personal loans may have interest rates anywhere of 3 to 20% now or even more in some terrible location whereas rich people can get much bigger loans at interest rates of 1% or even less when times are good.
This is exactly the kind of loan that one should not take out, because it moves the person in the direction of having the loan repayment be tied to value. As long as the loan repayment is only tied to your income it does not matter what happens with the things that you have bought. Many people take out loans to start a business and most newly started businesses fail, so what about such cases then? Should we also tell them that this is a mistake and not to do it? If we did that we would handicap the capital markets and the development of new businesses.
real_pixelSenior Member
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#13Apr 7, 2018, 11:55 PM
Key here is never use someone else's money for investing. Yes, loaned money isn't yours until you fully paid it and that's why it's an advanced money that's not actually yours. The interest, the stress and the deadlines of the due when you're going to pay that. It will be a big problem when the market shakes a lot and you just did that on a wrong timing. Nothing beats the investing from your own pocket, you'll not be bothered, you'll not bothered anybody and if it's your loss, it's only your loss and you'll not be stressed out with this financial decision.
CalmLedgerSenior Member
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#14Apr 10, 2018, 01:02 AM
If you have stable income that could pay the loan, that could be done but if not, it is better not making yourself in trouble.
No one know when Bitcoin will increase so while you buy Bitcoin using that loan money, you also need to repay the borrow money. If you don't have an income, you will difficult to repay the borrow money.
The lender will asks the money weekly or monthly or in the end of term time, depend on the agreement, so make sure you can pay the lender.
quantumninjaFull Member
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#15Apr 12, 2018, 11:00 AM
Taking out a loan to invest in bitcoin is a brilliant, ideal strategy if you have the ability to avoid repayment obligations. Let me explain. By purchasing bitcoin with borrowed money, you eliminate all the risks associated with bitcoin, as you're risking someone else's money. Now add to that the fact that you're finding a way to avoid repaying the loan or debts. The end result is a shift in risk from you to the lender, while still retaining the potential to profit from the rise in bitcoin's price. But that must only happen in fairy tales. Or is it?
This is a good strategy, but only if you're Michael J. Saylor.
I get the point that loans arent automatically bad and they can make sense depending on the situation, but where I dont agree is the idea that it doesnt matter what you use the loan for, because that part actually matters a lot.
Borrowing to buy a house and borrowing to buy Bitcoin are two very different things and when it comes to risk level, the purpose of the loan and the type of asset youre buying it with both play a big role.
For example, if someone takes a loan to buy a house they plan to live in, its still an asset, but its not bringing in any income so it wont help pay off the loan, now the person has to rely completely on their salary or other source of income.
But if that same house is rented out, then it becomes a different situation and maybe the rent can help cover part or even all of the loan, which reduces the financial pressure.
Now compare that to Bitcoin which doesnt generate any income either too, so just like living in your own house, you still have to rely on external income to repay the loan. The difference is that Bitcoin is highly volatile. Its value can drop quickly while your loan stays the same, and thats where the real risk comes in.
So yeah, borrowing itself isnt the problem but what you use the money for definitely affects how risky that decision is.
GrimRocketMember
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#17Apr 14, 2018, 11:21 AM
A loan is accompanied with strict and sometimes high monthly interest. Its not new anymore that Bitcoin can drop by good percentage just within a week before a new massive increase. Bitcoin may drop at a crucial time when your loan is due, and at this point you might be pressured to sell off you ones you even had already before the loan just to settle the bank else they come hunting you. Unlike your own savings which is 100% safer than taking a loan.
This can only be a smart strategy if the Bitcoin rate is high and the profit gotten has to be higher than the loan and its interest.
If you take or intend taking a loan with high interest rate like 10 to 20% it is actually an experiment to practice how failure really happen because youre not just confident that bitcoin will go high, your being selfishly confident that it will go high and also fast enough to settle the loans.
Earning from Investment works efficiently when you can hold on to it for a longer period. But with loan, every crash in price feels like your life is over, since your actual livelihood lies there, youll always treat it as emergency which might probably make you feel frustrated because flunctuation control doesnt lie in your palm.
Most people has lost in crypto because cases like this will pressure you to make panic decisions which might also make you end up like them.
If one borrow to invest the individual might be unfortunate when a long term opportunity will turn out to be a short time gamble. So it is always recommended to use your savings for safety and huge earning purposes.
yield_sigmaMember
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#18Apr 14, 2018, 03:37 PM
I've said this before, do not invest money you can't afford to lose. If you are going to take a loan to invest it in crypto, you are exposing yourself to uneccesary risk. That being said, if you are willing top take that risk, then that's up to you to take that loan, but make sure you have the ability to pay it up if the investment you made didn't produce any profit.
diamond2021Member
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#19Apr 14, 2018, 09:19 PM
It makes a sense to dislike taking loans just for investment, but I prefer to be flexible in monetary management when it comes to investment. If the calculated risk is way higher than the possible profit then better to let go of the idea of borrowing money to invest but if the calculated risk is too minimal and profit weigh more than the interest for the loan then why not. After all, there is no harm in spending 0 personal cash to gain a profit.
Borrowing money for financial gain for me is a smart strategy, it will only become a financial trap if we miscalculate things and we don't have source of income to pay for the monthly payment of the said loan.
I don't think that's a good idea and I'm saying this based on personal experience.
I didn't buy bitcoin that way, but I did buy shares on the stock exchange and it turned out to be a very bad idea.
Very soon after the purchase, the value of the shares dropped sharply, while on the other hand I had a fixed cost of a bank loan every month.
In the end, I had to sell the shares early to close the loan and avoid further financial losses.
Bitcoin is a risky investment, and it is very difficult to estimate the price movement of bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in general in the long term.
It is much better to invest only after a detailed analysis of the market and only with money that you can live without.
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