Hey newbies, don’t let anyone fool you just because they’re popular.
Proving you’re Satoshi Nakamoto is actually super easy.
All you gotta do is log into Nakamoto’s this forum account and sign messages with that original Bitcoin wallet address.
Seriously, it won’t cost you a dime. People will totally buy into it, so start there. Anything else is just a scam. Steer clear of Jack Dorsey, Craig Wright, and the rest. Honestly, folks here probably know more about Bitcoin ownership proof than those guys do.
If they really got what signing your Bitcoin address means, they wouldn’t be running around claiming to be the real Nakamoto. The future’s in your hands, so don’t get played.
I believe all this are just noises because if Satoshi wanted himself to be revealed then he wouldn't have ever considered disappearing and becoming the greatest mystery in the bitcoin history. Basically I see that as a thought out strategy he executed just to ensure bitcoin remains decentralized....
That said if there is no proof then folks like that are just looking to attract the media consent, which is what they mostly do. So yeah countless people have tried most of them barely even know what bitcoin is, let alone how to actually prove they created it....
I know this is exclusive to Satoshi account because he cannot obviously sell off his account to another person and yes should anyone be able to actually sign a message from the famous Satoshi bitcoin address which holds the 1 million plus bitcoin I think it will be hard to actually not believe that such person is the real Satoshi.
But aside Satoshi now, I think like this forum signing of message from an address is not even regarded again as the ultimate ownership proof anymore because account sellers now usually even give the buyer the access to sign this messages on that address either handing over the keys of the address to them or doing it for them. So using addressing signing message now as a proof of ownership this days is very subjective to the person in question
Popularity should never, in the first place, be a valid reason to trust somebody. Normally, cryptographic proof is a better reason to trust something than public influence. You have seen over time how influential or popular people use others for their own selfish gain. Be wise, people.
I still don't know why people continue to listen to these people after proof that they have used others or are just chasing clout. It's best that people focus more on evidence than just noise.
Anyone who claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto is most probably a liar because Satoshi left Bitcoin for community whoever Satoshi was is a mystery and I believe anyone who claims to be Satoshi is just trying to gain attention and nothing else. The real Satoshi Nakamoto will never claim that he's Satoshi Nakamoto because for someone who's created Bitcoin, decentralization and privacy matters more than fame and that's why everyone should understand that the real Satoshi Nakamoto might never reveal his true identity even if he's still alive.
It's not as simple as it seems.
As far as I know, Satoshi's account is somehow banned/locked so that the real owner cannot just log in even if he wants to without proving that it is really his account. Furthermore, even if a signed message appears from one of the BTC addresses that are connected to Satoshi, who can say with certainty that it is really Satoshi and not someone who came into possession of his private keys?
For those who don't know, someone signed a message with the BTC address used by Hal Finney more than ten years after his death, but it certainly wasn't him unless he thawed out of the cryogenic chamber, invented a cure for his illness, and recovered.
Has Jack Dorsey ever claimed to be Satoshi? I've never seen or heard him make such claims. In fact, he has flatly said that he is not Satoshi, even though he added statements like "If I were him, would I tell you?"
Craig Wright, on the other hand, is an idiot who has embarrassed himself in and out of court multiple times because of his claim to be Satoshi. I don't think anybody should take him seriously.
It's true, popularity does not mean the person knows better or is smarter than you. There are many things that make people popular. Even if the person is smarter than you, it doesn't mean he knows more than you in everything, or some of their views can be wrong or flawed.
Let's be honest, Satoshi isn't going to appear. It's just common sense; it's part of Bitcoin's lore not knowing his true identity. And if it were ever revealed, it would lose its appeal over time. He'd be hounded by paparazzi, secrets he, like every human being, once had would be uncovered, and it would all turn into an unstable witch hunt against him. So no, no matter how much curiosity gets the better of some people, we're never going to see this, at least not by Satoshi's own choice.
As far as I know, Satoshi's account is locked and no one can access it anymore, the only way is to sign a message from a wallet address that indicates that it belongs to Satoshi, but still, signing the message alone is not enough, he needs to prove further that he is the real Satoshi, so for anyone it will be more difficult to prove that they are Satoshi because they have to explain more evidence. moreover, with the statement that Satoshi has left Bitcoin, I think that the speculation about who Satoshi really is should be over because there is no point in prolonging this.
They understand, but their ignorance wants them to skip that part. Some of the people who are claiming to be Satoshi, including the renowned Faketoshi, know how Bitcoin works to some extent. They feel like presenting a few facts and data could blind the people from looking at the main thing that actually matters, and as sophisticated as things are getting now, signing messages with Satoshi's address might not be enough to prove anything, as there will be some questions which need to be answered and proven. For the forum account, a few members above already gave the answer of how it's locked from being accessed unless the admin unlocks it.
There is no knowledge that surpasses individual brilliance. Depending on an alpha all the time could easily cause manipulation and huge loss at last.
There are several stories of a popular guru advertising a project and they drop "referral code" for new users to gain benefits, of which after that the project flops and they are out with their benefits. It is high time we all make personal research and do not depend solely on big names for the right moves.
Without a proper understanding of this space, you would copy every single move the so called "experts" make and probably end up in more losses. It's best to stay neutral, follow your guts and don't get too greedy.
I understand you, but it's not even happening, no one made it to his account or one of Nakamoto's bitcoin address yet, if they could then we can be having discussions about if still they are real or not.
Hal Finney shouldn't be compared with Satoshi Nakamoto, we don't how know how he chose to keep his recovery seed before he passed away, someone using Hal Finney bitcoin address is different from someone using Satoshis Bitcoin address.
About satoshis account been banned or locked, why is that? I thought he created this forum? Or it's one of those security protocol to avoid possible account access in the future? Anyways.
If someone actually signs a message from Satoshi Nakamoto's used Bitcoin addresses in the past, or from his known PGP key, how will it affect my psychology, feeling, action, and plan for my Bitcoin investment, portfolio and my bitcoin?
I don't see anything will seriously happen with me as well as my bitcoins.
Satoshi Nakamoto identity can be known, not known in the future or forever, or he might return with verification but all these things won't affect my investment decisions because I know that Satoshi Nakamoto can not freeze my Bitcoin wallets, UTXOs, can not steal my bitcoins, can not individually change Bitcoin protocol.
Use the same rationale for forum profiles too, by the way. I know it's easy to "follow" the people with the most merit or Legendary status but Trust is probably the most important factor on a forum profile, and that still doesn't give you a proper gauge of how "smart" they might be. I'd score pretty average on an IQ test, for example, and my bets should never be followed
Just for those wondering who to read on this forum.
Honestly thats the easiest and practical way to prove that you are the owner. I remember when a lot of personalities trying to pull off that they are Satoshi, but with the talks and evidence they clearly wrong. Anyone who can access the private key of Satoshi is the real one. Thats how bitcointalk forum verifying process. But does it mean the one who access before and now is the same? Nah that doesnt work that way. Ownership is about access.
Why not? Hal may have left his Bitcoin inheritance to his children, and the Satoshi keys may be lying in some old computer gathering dust somewhere in the attic until someone finds it one day. The thing is, anyone who has the private key can say that they are the person who is the real owner.
As far as I know, the reason is probably because the forum has already been hacked a few times in the past and Satoshi's account is too important to let someone take it over even for a short time. If you thought someone wanted to prevent him from logging into the forum, that's not the case - he just needs to confirm that it's really him.
Even his bitcointalk account is no longer as it can be compromised at any point of time.
The one and only way to verify Satoshi's identity would be his bitcoin address.
One signed message from his bitcoin address is enough evidence to prove the ownership of his identity.
Anyone else trying to prove using any other method is just in vain and cannot be trusted.
His Bitcoin addresses or more exactly Bitcoin private keys are not the only way to prove his identity. There is PGP key from Satoshi Nakamoto which can be used to sign a message and prove his identity if he returns and wants to announce as well as confirm it.
It's how he can prove his identity, and it's what we assume he will do if he returns, though his return is a very big conspiracy theory that is impossible in my opinion. Each year passes, the chance for a comeback of Satoshi return becomes smaller as who knows if the Bitcoin founder already passed away some time and some how in the past or in the future.
This is false, I have already explained this in different threats. This is based on past topics and misunderstanding of the time aspect on keys. Neither of the two things that you have written would prove that the person who is doing it is satoshi nakamoto. All of those actions rely on various assumptions for which the chance of invalidity increases through time, and a lot of time has passed so the chance of this has increased dramatically. If I sign a message using Nakamoto's own wallet address, does that mean that I Satofan44 was the persona under the alias satoshi from the past? Even though nothing else resembles satoshi at all? What about if I did that and started writing exactly like satoshi used to write, would that mean that I was him?
See, the idea is easily dismissed by a counter example. When you talk about keys:
The chance that the person has access to the keys when they are dormant for very long time decrease.The chance that someone else has access to the keys through whatever means increases.Now we are already at the point where you should doubt anyone who comes forth to be satoshi, including anyone who signs messages from his known addresses or PGP keys or whatever -- because all of these rely on a trust-based assumption, instead of using a zero-trust model. If we reach a situation where private keys can be derived from public keys, then at that point satoshi is 100% not provable anymore. LLMs enable someone to write exactly like satoshi did and spoof other metrics, quantum computers could eventually enable someone to compromise all his known keys.
Therefore, learn from the basics of Bitcoin. Do not trust, verify. Verifying a signature that relies on a trust assumption goes against this concept. All of these ridiculous ideas are a relic of the old world where faking things was incredibly hard, you need to let go of the false ideas and embrace the world that we live in. Faking most things is very easy. While you can't fake the signatures or the keys, you can get access to them in various other ways and situations -- depending on who it was, how they were stored, what happened to the person and the keys and so forth.