Legal notice sent to CSW / BSV about the Bitcoin BTC logo

So, this is a quote from a thread about "Dr Bitcoin The Man Who Wasn't Satoshi Nakamoto Podcast"... If there are any legal experts around here, I’d love to hear your thoughts! Thanks!

Not a legal eagle but I know a serve when I see one! You have my full support on this! Anything at all you need you know where I am!

+1  I hope some will show up. (Already blocked by his new twitter account.) lmao

Go for it  We really do need some legal people in this forum! If there’s any solicitors/ lawyers who are members of this forum, please raise your hand. I’m sure other members would be happy to collaborate on any of the technical details of Bitcoin and let you do the legal stuff! Can’t help much personally, but good luck and full support

I don't get it. If the logo is in the public domain, then how can its use be restricted?

I maintain Threshold of Originality over the current Bitcoin BTC logo / design concept, as a proven originator of the logo design. I can therefore apply (and legally enforce) Trademarks in jurisdictions. Threshold of originality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality File:Bitcoin.svg - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bitcoin.svg Whilst "This work is ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain because it consists entirely of information that is common property and contains no original authorship." ... "This work includes material that may be protected as a trademark in some jurisdictions. If you want to use it, you have to ensure that you have the legal right to do so and that you do not infringe any trademark rights." ... To clarify, use of the original "right tilted", "orange" #Bitcoin #BTC logo continues unhindered 'as-is' in the public domain. Use of any "left tilted ", "green" (unofficial Bitcoin) logo is therefore in breach of my Threshold of Originality. Use of any "centred", "yellow" (unofficial Bitcoin) logo is therefore in breach of my Threshold of Originality. ... BCH and BSV are both copies / forks of BTC. In terms of trademark branding, BCH and BSV have modified the officially recognised BTC logo. Effectively the BCH and BSV logos (and blockchains up to the forked blocks) are counterfeit. Counterfeit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit "To counterfeit means to imitate something authentic, with the intent to steal, destroy, or replace the original, for use in illegal transactions, or otherwise to deceive individuals into believing that the fake is of equal or greater value than the real thing. Counterfeit products are fakes or unauthorized replicas of the real product. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries of currency and documents ..."

Correct me if I am wrong, but you state that the logo is public domain, which is equivalent to saying that there is no copyright. Copyrights and trademarks are different things. Unlike a copyright, a trademark must be registered. If you have registered a trademark, then I guess you can sue for infringement. Have you registered the logo as a trademark? I was wrong about trademarks, here is what Justia says about unregistered trademarks in the U.S.A.:

Have you actually checked what bsv trolls said on their website back in 2019? They used exact same Bitcoin logo, changed color with tilt, and they said it's their own unique logo design  This would be like if I use any public domain logo, let's take for example well know Olympic rings logo by Pierre de Coubertin, change color, tilt it and call it my own unique creation. This is what Faketoshi and his cult members are doing

Yes, and I believe there is nothing wrong with that because it is not a trademark and it is public domain. That's a bad example because the olympic logo is a trademark, and the bitcoin logo is not. Furthermore, the bitcoin logo has been in use for many years without any attempts by trademark holders to stop its use. A court would probably find that the bitcoin logo is generic because of its widespread use and cannot be used as a trademark.

You can also believe that gremlins and unicorns exist if you want, but this is not OK and you can ask any designer for his opinion. Common sense is also enough (for most people). Sorry but I have to say that you have no idea what you are talking about. Please do at least minimal research before posting something like this or simply visit wiki pages for both logos... it would only take few minutes of your time. Here I will chew it down for you, and make it a baby food: https://wikiless.org/wiki/File:Bitcoin_logo.svg?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/File:Olympic_rings_without_rims.svg?lang=en

I am not sure that is correct. My understanding is that a trademark holder can take action to prevent someone from confusing potential customers into thinking a product is similar to the trademark holder's brand. So if Dell were to sell a Dell computer named "Mac", then Apple could sue Dell for trademark infringement because Dell is confusing potential customers as to the brand of computers being sold. There may be the potential to extend that concept to a logo. However the entity bringing the action needs to be the trademark holder, not the creator of the name or the logo.

"... "Cease and desist notification(s) served to CSW / BSV re: the #Bitcoin #BTC logo." - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385362.0 Have we got a case - talk to me? https://twitter.com/opencryptoorg https://twitter.com/jerrybrito ..." - https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1512734319814578184

Satoshi was against copyleft due to Bitcoin being MIT licenced. <-- an interesting point The yellow, two-bar logo released by Satoshi could be argued as MIT licenced, much like the bitcoin code. Wayback:https://web.archive.org/web/20130524055823/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.0 --- How similar is that to the one used as this forum's icon?  How would this affect this forum's use of a similar icon? You might have a hard time with this because the logo released by SN on 24 Feb 2010 was centred and yellow. It had two bars instead of the singular bar on the bhat symbol, without any bar that passes through the B. I think SN did two bars to avoid this issue of copyrights even amongst potential co-creators, as it would be his contribution above the threshold of originality so he could release it into the public domain. The Thai Bhat symbol was suggested by Liberty, where you suggested the italicised version after that (as you quoted, 5 Feb 2010), so are those sufficiently different? There were also concerns that ฿ was already a currency, so BTC was created as a different symbol. The former existence of the Bhat symbol especially as a currency complicates rights and precedence to both symbols, which could enforce public-domain usage of even the symbol for BTC. Copyleft versus MIT licensing of the logo was discussed pretty early on. Is there a chance that you either explicitly stated or insinuated that your contributions could be MIT licenced, like to SN privately? Is there a chance that you put any portion of your designs as MIT license versus copyleft? --- Also relevant: Do the attachment images from these still exist anywhere?  Who had the most precedence, and what is the uniqueness of your designs from what they posted? (Don't get me wrong -- I greatly appreciate your contributions, but want to make sure that you've considered other angles.) --- There is this to consider: --- For full reference, on 1 Nov 2010, bitboy posted a logo that became the main logo without restriction - Bitboy's profile currently states: "I did not receive any private messages or instruction from anyone before, and when I first created those graphics, not even from SN." This signature was modified after 2018, and there have been several forum hacks between 2010 and 2018, so the present signature (2022) is not trustworthy as coming from him. Wayback, 2013:https://web.archive.org/web/20130524001327/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2062 Wayback, 2016, still original signature:https://web.archive.org/web/20160820031224/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2062 Wayback, 2018, signature removed:https://web.archive.org/web/20180921121009/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2062

Herewith, a 'timeline' of events proving that I have a solid case here in terms of my Threshold of Originality, as originator of the current Bitcoin BTC logo design ... Earliest BitcoinTalk forum snapshot for my original post regarding italicizing / "right tilted" ฿ logo. "Re: Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿" - May 18 2014 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20140518050525/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.0 Originally posted: February 05, 2010 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.msg243#msg243 ... Notice that when satoshi launched bitcoin.org the Bitcoin logo (and software) had a BC logo 'gold' design. Earliest snapshot of bitcoin.org showing the BC logo 'gold' design in the wallet software - March 3rd 2009 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/ ... 'satoshi's "New icon/logo" post: February 24, 2010 is an update of the BC logo 'gold' design to the ฿ logo in 'gold' design. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.0 Earliest BitcoinTalk forum snapshot showing the "New ฿ icon/logo" - May 24th 2013 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20130524055823/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.0 ... Thread "Topic: Make your "we accept Bitcoin" logo" February 24, 2010 - where user 'Sabunir' presented BC and ฿ logo / banners in 'gold' and 'blue' - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45.0 Earliest snapshot of BitcoinTalk forum thread "Topic: Make your "we accept Bitcoin" logo" where user 'Sabunir' presented BC and ฿ logo / banners in 'gold' and 'blue' - April 23rd 2013 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20140423025527/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45.0 N.B. That the 'Sabunir' BC and ฿ logo / banners in 'gold' and 'blue' were not archived by The Way Back Machine, however an archive of these banners does exist in the form of my photobucket account which I used only to serve these banners as per my post: - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45.msg559#msg559 - https://web.archive.org/web/20100911004823/http://s889.photobucket.com/albums/ac99/BitcoinFX/ ... A bitcoin.org snapshot from December 30th 2010 still showing the BC logo in the Bitcoin BTC wallet screen shot as per the earliest bitcoin.org snapshot and now incorporating 'Sabunir's 'blue' background design. ... - https://web.archive.org/web/20101230111105/http://www.bitcoin.org/ ... BitcoinTalk forum Topic "More Bitcoin logos, buttons, and also some other graphics"  November 01, 2010 - current italicized, "right tilted", "orange" #Bitcoin #BTC logo by 'bitboy' - inspired by my February 05, 2010 post above and in the OP. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1631.0 Earliest BitcoinTalk forum snapshot with the current italicized, "right tilted", "orange" #Bitcoin #BTC logo by 'bitboy' - inspired by my February 05, 2010 post above and in the OP - May 24th 2013 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20130524191250/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1631.0 ... Source forge snapshot for the Bitcoin project from November 22nd 2010 still showing the BC logo after the 'bitboy' logo release - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20101122110145/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/ ... Again, the earliest BitcoinTalk forum snapshot for my original post regarding italicizing / "right tilted" ฿ logo. Originally posted: February 05, 2010 predates ALL of the above and I maintain my Threshold of Originality, as originator of the current Bitcoin BTC logo design ... "Re: Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿" - May 18 2014 - source: The Way Back Machine. - https://web.archive.org/web/20140518050525/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.0 Originally posted: February 05, 2010 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.msg243#msg243 ... N.B. Identical snapshots of the above sources likely exist (as additional evidence / proof) due to the BitcoinTalk forum being migrated. Said snapshots will be updated ASAP (where relevant to this case) with additional images and screenshots also being presented. EDIT1: N.B. That the following two links get refactored when posted to BitcoinTalk as bitcointalk.org ... Unfortunately, The Way Back Machine did not archive the original bitcoin.org /smf topic "Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿" - source: The Way Back Machine - https:// web.archive.org/web/20100729114114/http:// www.bitcoin.org /smf/index.php?topic=41.0 However, the thread Topic "Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿" is visible on the original board, before migration of the domain. Earliest snapshot - July 29th 2010 - source: The Way Back Machine - https:// web.archive.org/web/20100729114114/http:// www.bitcoin.org /smf/index.php?board=1.80 ... At this juncture I may or may not also be user account 'bitboy' and/or have commissioned (and/or inspired directly and/or indirectly) 'bitboy' to create the current and officially recognized Bitcoin BTC italicized, "right tilted", "orange" logo. Regardless, I maintain the "Threshold of Originality" ... See: Threshold of originality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality Commons:Threshold of originality - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Threshold_of_originality Derivative work - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work Commons:Derivative works - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works N.B. Phil Wilson is NOT user account 'bitboy'. It does not matter whether Craig Wright is satoshi or not (he is NOT satoshi), in regards to this case ... It does not even matter whether Satoshi Nakamoto is Satoshi Nakamoto, in regards to this case ... All and any use of the BSV "centred", "yellow" (unofficial Bitcoin) logo(s) and BCH "left tilted ", "green" (unofficial Bitcoin) logo(s) has breached my Threshold of Originality, as originator of the current Bitcoin BTC "right tilted", "orange" logo design and I have requested that they Cease and Desist. Regards, BitcoinFX ... "The possession of anything begins in the mind." ― Bruce Lee

Have you ever received any reply regarding this issue from some member of CSW, Roger Ver or anyone else connected with them? I am sure that I saw more shitcoins that used same logo with minor changes or different colors but they are probably even less irrelevant than this two. There is one website called forkdrop with most Bitcoin forks ever created: https://forkdrop.io/#table-bitcoin “Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.” ― Bruce Lee

No comment. I don't want to have to start being a total 'dick' about this, but everyone should realize that my "Threshold of Originality" (in regards to the #Bitcoin #BTC logo) can be legally exercised over the entire cryptocurrency industry. ...    "The industry of the integrated spectacle and immaterial command owes me money. I will not come to terms with it until I will not have what is owed to me. For all the times I appeared on TV, films, and on the radio as a casual passersby or as an element of the landscape, and my image has not been compensated . . . for all the words or expressions of high communicative impact I have coined in peripheral cafes, squares, street corners, and social centers that became powerful advertising jingles, without seeing a dime; for all the times my name and my personal data have been put at work inside stats, to adjust the demand, refine marketing strategies, increase the productivity of firms to which I could not be more indifferent; for all the advertising I continuously make by wearing branded t-shirts, backpacks, socks, jackets, bathing suits, towels, without my body being remunerated as a commercial billboard; for all of this and much more, the industry of the integrated spectacle owes me money! I understand it may be difficult to calculate how much they owe me as an individual. But this is not necessary at all, because I am Luther Blissett, the multiple and the multiplex.     And what the industry of the integrated spectacle owes me, it is owed to the many that I am, and is owed to me because I am many. From this viewpoint, we can agree on a generalized compensation. You will not have peace until I will not have the money! LOTS OF MONEY BECAUSE I AM MANY: CITIZEN INCOME FOR LUTHER BLISSETT!" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Blissett_(pseudonym) Original source: http://www.lutherblissett.net/archive/095_it.html Bitcoin BTC = Money.

I think your attempt at rent-seeking here is petty and selfish, and it will ultimately be unsuccessful. It's a move worthy of CSW himself. That's just my opinion, so it doesn't really matter.

The important difference here being that CSW has zero actual "Threshold of Originality" over anything to do with Bitcoin, whatsoever. Whereas, I quite clearly do.   EDIT: Additional: What part of "... I will not come to terms with it until I will not have what is owed to me. ..." is, and I quote: "a move worthy of CSW himself" ? ... The real satoshi did NOT want COUNTERFEIT Bitcoin forks, and I quote: "... "... If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version. ..." - satoshi, June 18, 2010 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1617#msg1617 cont." - https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1301575484245975043 ... "... "... This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version. ..." - satoshi, June 18, 2010 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1617#msg1617 " - https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1301575907702964224