TAX ON CRYPTO IN THE UK

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HyperHawkFull Member
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#1Sep 29, 2022, 05:58 PM
Hey everyone, I’ve got a few questions for those dealing with crypto taxes in the UK. I’m looking for insights from seasoned taxpayers, tax pros, and legal experts who hang out here: QUESTIONS: A Does anyone have the older HMRC crypto tax "Guidance" from 2014? B When did the UK start taxing crypto-to-crypto transactions? C HMRC released its "Tax on cryptoassets" policy paper on 19th December 2018. That’s the "ORIGINAL DATE". Check out the notes below and let me know if my assumptions are on point or off. Before 19th December 2018: No taxes were applied to any crypto-to-crypto trades before this policy was dropped; tax only kicked in when converting crypto to GBP. After 19th December 2018: Every crypto-to-crypto transaction became a taxable event.
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#2Sep 29, 2022, 07:23 PM
Hi - hopefully I can help a bit . Here’s where you can find the “Guidance notes “ from 2014 https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20160121032200/https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies/revenue-and-customs-brief-9-2014-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies Dates for tax can be rather tricky and just because new rulings come in at a certain date , it doesn’t that these rulings can’t be used retrospectively, ie, anybody’s past tax returns may be looked at again using the new guidelines and you may well have to pay tax on old returns ! Anyway - currently all crypto to crypto , crypto to fiat , fiat to crypto are DEFINITELY a now deemed taxable events. Hope this helps a bit
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HyperHawkFull Member
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#3Sep 29, 2022, 09:13 PM
Thanks for the reply. Before 2018, there was no requirement to keep DETAILED RECORDS of ALL crypto transactions. (This might be because crypto still had negligible prices before the 2017/2018 bull run). - Many of us have too many transactions from failed "pump and dump" projects, with transaction history being lost on exchanges that have closed down. -There was no KYC/AML regulations and crypto exchanges were not treated like banks/Financial institutions Before 2018, the position commonly observed by most people was that tax was payable only when BTC (crypto) was converted to fiat (GBP). I remember that it was almost impossible to even convert crypto to GBP before 2018. This was the same year when Coinbase UK began to support crypto to GBP transactions. NOTE (REGARDING CRYPTO TRADES BEFORE 2018) I understand that we should all have the transaction history of our initial BTC purchases However, problems arise when we cannot prove that we lost crypto, or that we sold crypto at a serious loss, due to exchanges going out of business
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#4Sep 30, 2022, 02:11 PM
I suppose, if the HMRC ever come back o you for past returns and ask for any evidence , then you can only give them whatever proof or evidence you have. Any proof of any buys, profits, losses , transactions will help you . I’m sure any ambiguity that were in the HMRC guidelines was there on purpose !! Sorry I’m not helping you that much and please this is NOT financial advice.
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HyperHawkFull Member
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#5Sep 30, 2022, 03:50 PM
Thanks for the answer. I am currently employed, but might/will lose my job soon. However, I have crypto investments to survive and THRIVE on. Questions: - If I lose my job in May, then I cash out on crypto investments in June/July, will I be classified as UNEMPLOYED or SELF EMPLOYED for HMRC TAX purposes? - If I pay Capital Gains Tax for my crypto investments that I cash out in June/July, will I still have to register and pay for National Insurance, even though I pay CGT, not INCOME TAX?
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#6Sep 30, 2022, 07:28 PM
Apologies, my knowledge doesn’t stretch that far and I’m not sure what your describing is that simple - there may be a lot of other factors involved. I’d advice seeking professional help, ie, an accountant. If I were you, id shop around- get in touch with a few accountants and see how up to date they are with crypto regulations. Don’t be afraid to ask and also see if they provide a free initial consultation
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HyperHawkFull Member
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#7Sep 30, 2022, 11:47 PM
I understand. There are no hidden factors involved. I am just an "inexperienced" long time investor. I have invested for many years. Now I am currently doing a "Voluntary Disclosure", which I will submit very soon. I am still employed, but I will need to determine my tax classification, when I lose my job, but decide to live off my Capital Gains.
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#8Oct 1, 2022, 01:51 AM
When the country begins to leave tax on cryptocurrency. It will not paused by any individual.This causes huge investment lag in the traders. Because who like to pay tax for their own earnings.Britan was very big economy in the Britan in European nation.The cause of Brexit also the same in Euro Zone.Britan making huge impact in the world economy.Even the Britan citizen paying huge tax to their country.
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HyperHawkFull Member
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#9Oct 3, 2022, 12:32 PM
Britain is strict with TAX. The PENALTIES for late payment are very severe - it could make somebody go bankrupt
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