Thoughts on Liquid Staking for Bitcoin?

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ryan69Full Member
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#1Mar 16, 2020, 08:51 AM
It's pretty cool that we're getting more options for liquid staking in the crypto scene, especially for those into DeFi. Who says we can't do DeFi with Bitcoin? I think PumpBTC is pretty interesting. From what I've read, it's a platform aiming to introduce DeFi to Bitcoin holders by allowing liquid staking with Babylon. The goal is to help BTC holders get better yields while keeping things straightforward. Usually, these processes can be a hassle, but with this, you can stake your BTC in one go and get liquidity tokens right away. I'm planning to dig into this more over the weekend to look at blockchain compatibility and other details. Anyone else familiar with this idea? Drop your thoughts below.
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paulyieldSenior Member
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#2Mar 16, 2020, 03:04 PM
getting interests while holding BTC is great and all, I also personally hold BTC but I won't ever put my BTC in other chain other than bitcoin blockchain because I see it as a risky thing to do but the APY you get is just peanut. basically you're putting yourself at risk of contract exploit + rug + depegging + insolvency just for like 12% APR, this sounds like the worst deal maybe ever .
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chain404Full Member
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#3Mar 16, 2020, 06:09 PM
You simply entrust your bitcoin to that platform if it is centralized and we know that we do not have the keys anymore but you own your account but not your bitcoins. If it is a decentralized platform just like jeff said, you are required to wrap that which makes it wrapped bitcoin and you will have to convert your btc into it that is in another chain and that is what I do not like.
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degen_nonceFull Member
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#4Mar 16, 2020, 11:20 PM
I don't trust any platform except a reliable exchange that has been proven otherwise, I can't for any reason send out Bitcoin to newly site and they could be only looking for a way to trap people in their custody. Holding Bitcoin (investments) for longer term could serve enough profits for me than entrusting resources to any other platform that is not a centralized exchange where It's known already than a newer site that could run away without people funds and give back worthless token in returns.
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bull_gangFull Member
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#5Mar 16, 2020, 11:47 PM
Look — DeFi is cool, but why would you even want extra "yield" on your BTC? An extra 2-4% yield in exchange for what? Potentially losing everything through an exploit? That makes zero sense.
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ryan69Full Member
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#6Mar 17, 2020, 12:15 PM
What if all those your concerns checks out? Well we learn everyday.. Extra income wouldn't hurt, if the platform is quite secured .
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bull_gangFull Member
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#7Mar 17, 2020, 05:34 PM
Did you actually audit the code yourself, or did you just repeat whatever some guy online told you?
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bit2016Full Member
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#8Mar 18, 2020, 02:46 AM
I understand the appeal of extra income but the core ethos of Bitcoin has always been about decentralization and self-custody. Transferring BTC to other chains can feel like stepping outside that ethos even if the platform claims robust security. Is the potential yield worth the exposure to risks? I’d suggest looking closely into its track record audits, insurance mechanisms & whether their pegging solution has stood the test of volatility. Extra income wouldn’t hurt but ensuring the safety of the principal investment always takes precedence.
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raven1337Hero Member
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#9Mar 19, 2020, 04:04 PM
It's not worth to stake your Bitcoin to the liquid staking platform. Bitcoin is a volatile asset, and it's trading at high price. Once you stake it, you will earn penny while possible to get huge impermanent lose for your Bitcoin. I'd rather do a direct trade of Bitcoin to get capital gain instead of doing restaking. If you're having enough patience to deal with your impermanent lose, do it. As for me, It's not worthy with time, and APY received from staking Bitcoin is fukin small.
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nova_2019Senior Member
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#10Mar 19, 2020, 05:17 PM
Are you promoting this PumpBTC platform? If the answer is yes, the Speculation forum isn't the right place for you to do this. I'm not a fan of Liquid Staking. To me, Liquid Staking is yet another sketchy method for scammers to get the BTC/altcoins of their victims and offer them some useless tokens in return. You can't stake your coins, get interest and at the same time get "Liquid Tokens" and use them as actual crypto. This "market liquidity" seems totally fake to me. Liquid Staking should be pushed away from the Bitcoin world and remain a totally Altcoin DeFi method.
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ryan69Full Member
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#11Mar 19, 2020, 10:07 PM
Hmm it's an innovation that's coming to BTC, Anyways I understand mixed reactions to this tbh.. since it's been discovered here I'll most likely explore owning the token PUMP. Should be live in a jiffy . They even did some sort of airdrop. I missed that.
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chrischainFull Member
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#12Mar 22, 2020, 05:48 AM
I heard the same thing about many big platforms out there.. I guess we all know what sometimes happens to those
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gw3i_4ltFull Member
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#13Mar 23, 2020, 08:14 PM
If the staking involves giving up control over the BTC, the question is which token would possibly be valuable enough to justify the risk. Building more complex functionality on the top of BTC is certainly exciting, but a better option to limit token supply might be to track temporary commitments of the BTC.
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boss23Full Member
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#14Mar 23, 2020, 10:12 PM
Or just hold on your Bitcoin on the wallet that you control instead of having it stake at some exchange and you don't know what will be the result. And yea, the supposedly APY is not that attractive anymore, until before when this whole staking started. So the risk is huge as there are many things that can happen that we don't have control and worst, we can lose everything in an instant. Better not get myself involved in staking and I would rather hold by Bitcoin and look at the bigger picture and not be swayed by the supposedly yearly returns.
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d3f1_2015Full Member
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#15Mar 24, 2020, 12:30 AM
That's right and there is none unless the staker is willing to lose that BTC for some sort of percentage of the yield. I don't think it's worth it. It's best to hold it. You don't have headache and nothing to think of if you're staking it on any platform. I've thought of the same before that my BTC should be staked somewhere to earn interest or more with the APYs being offered by these platform. But exploits can happen and I choose to have no headache by holding it, the value is appreciating by simply waiting.
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LuckyAltSenior Member
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#16Mar 24, 2020, 05:01 AM
Sounds like you don't understand what bitcoin is, you think is some fucking shitcoins. Why would I even stake my bitcoin in the first place when I know my bitcoin is not save in the hands of a third party. I don't do shitcoins but only bitcoin so I don't need any other coin than bitcoin in my noncustodial wallet. Don't lose control over your bitcoin because you are after little profit, because I see it as gambling.
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paulyieldSenior Member
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#17Mar 24, 2020, 10:26 AM
definitely, but apparently there are some people who happen to see that APY as good enough and willing to risk their BTC. although frankly speaking, by just holding alone they already get so much profit, but people seem to really want to get those APR on top of profit that they can get from holding BTC. understandable, but its too risky, I bet some people just have extraordinary risk appetite .
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