Bitcoin really shook up how people think about assets. Unlike traditional ones, it doesn’t need something crucial: your personal data or any kind of ID.
That's why a lot of folks see bitcoin as bad news, especially those who profit from buying and selling our data. Now that bitcoin is super decentralized, it can’t be easily destroyed by negative spin, so these data sellers are trying to find new ways to get control back. It might not be obvious, but some smart people, even here on this forum, understand this, which is likely why they’ve banned the use of AI.
AI tools these days are tweaked to track the chats you have and the kinds of questions you ask. By doing this, they gather info on who you might be, and once they know you, they can collect more data and map out your behaviors. This poses a real threat and creates fear, allowing them to regain control.
So, when we talk about why AI is often frowned upon or banned in discussions here, it’s because it goes against the essence of bitcoin decentralization and privacy. The fact that bitcoin doesn’t ask for personal info is a big reason why it can't get full backing from any government unless they try to...
Op you seem to be missing two different layers of Bitcoin in this topic which are the protocol and the usage.
At the protocol level, Bitcoin actually does not care about your identity, that's the part that agrees with what you're saying. However, the moment you move your asset to how people commonly use Bitcoin, like to exchanges, apps, KYC or even careless wallets, that's when your identity can be linked back through the coins. Through the use of any of them, many Bitcoiners expose their data but will still expect privacy to come by default.
Bitcoin provides us with the needed tools to remain private but it doesn't enforce us to stay private, that's the difference. So the responsibility to stay private or not depends on Bitcoin users not the Bitcoin protocol.
No they were not
You are the one over complicating things
How you use Bitcoin doesn't change what Bitcoin is
What matters is what it represents in the protocol level.
I believe the forum frowns upon it because here's a discussion forum
Not where people plagiarise others work.
Artificial Intelligence has its use cases but for the most part is WAY too overhyped. They name 'Artificial Intelligence' even the actions characters inside games do nowadays. Hell. We have 'Artificial Intelligence Enhanced' drinks. It has become a very dumb marketing thing that I hope dies soon.
Bitcoin Talk has not pushed back against Artificial Intelligence due to how great it is, they pushed back against it because it was filling up the Forum with answers and Topics no humans wrote. This is like going to a party and everybody puts their phone on the table and lets Chat GPT talk for them. Talking to non humans would kill this Forum as it makes any more second spent on it a waste of time.
Perhaps I already drafted a response to Donneski but however, you already replied.
Right! Thats is the basic reason but I guess my interpretation is probably a secondary reason why the forum also prohibits AI. We having conversations as human is one.
Thats why bitcoin right from its inception was called a pseudonymous coin because with it you have the ability to actually chose whether remain anonymous or not but in general bitcoin technically is not a privacy coin since its transaction is publicly published on the blockchain. It not been able to trace it back to you directly if do not leave a trace is anonymity. The way use bitcoin doesnt actually affects its protocol. Bitcoin decentralization is actually broad to the extent that it allows freedom even in terms of how you choose to use it
Bitcoin was not meant to provide a choice between being Anonymous or not. By default, we are ALL 'pseudonymous' as in right in between the two. I highly doubt Satoshi thought about future Blockchain Analysis tools at the time he created Bitcoin. In my own opinion, the Bitcoin Blockchain would have been less interesting and people would not trust it as much if it was fully private like Monero. Having it fully public meant full transparency, one thing that is highly lacking in the Fiat system and particularly in money being moved around by politicians and such.
Imagine Bitcoin was fully private. People barely understand Monero even now. Bitcoin lets you check on every thing you want and validate it by exploring the Blocks even through only a website. It gave people trust in the way things work early on without adding more questions.
I seriously agree with you on this. I think a full private bitcoin will have had more troubles and even lack trust than it has now, if bitcoin had been a privacy coin I think the government narrative of it been used for crimes might have stood clear, we could even face bans and restrictions more like the way Monero and other privacy coins are facing now. Without information on the blockchain I think the trust that comes with every one been able to verify transactions wouldnt be there
All of it is just manipulation of the soft and gullible masses to be afraid to the point where they will give someone else their money as a way to hedge against whatever current fad sounds scariest. "AI" or "Artificial Intelligence" is 100% a marketing term. Same thing with Quantum Computing. Why would anyone name it something that attracts less attention but represents the thing itself more accurately?
Statistical Pattern Recognition Algorithm or Automated Googling Identity does not have the same zing, I guess...
Without AI, there are already many data scrapers do their works and it's true not only in this Bitcoin forum. Anything you posted, uploaded, shared on the Internet will be there assumed forever. You can delete your posts, status, photos but what you posted on the Internet actually are stored somewhere you even don't know about.
It's classic privacy issue when using the Internet, and it does not only exist with AI.
For privacy
https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information/privacy.html
https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy
https://bitcoinsecurity.org/guide/privacy/
https://bitcoiner.guide/privacy/
Yes, and the younger generation, who get to know the Internet, first provide their data, rejoicing at the opportunity to show themselves to the whole world, but after realizing that this is "not good," they wonder how to delete everything.
Therefore, privacy in our time should begin from the moment of birth, and the Internet should see "invented" personalities that completely do not correspond to the real life of the user. Then Bitcoin (which belongs to them) will have privacy if people start thinking from a young age about why and what to put on the Internet.
What most AI available to the public is mostly capable of is data sourcing and selection. They just pull Idea across from different data set and compare and combine them to give you a presumed best option. AI is important but for a forum like this it's no different from multiple machines replying each other here.
As for the bitcoin usage part, the reason for the network has never changed but based off flexibility you can as a user choose to use and see it quite differently from the way others do.
Even this same P2P you mentioned shouldn't be done on a centralized exchange, this is one of the mistake many made and they don't know that P2P should be on a decentralized platform that will not have our information for privacy sake, but we are not only being conscious of this when doing P2P, hence, many of us make use of this centralized platforms called exchange for our P2P and still yet have the influence of Central authority over our assets with those exchange.
The public blockchain is actually what made normal people trust Bitcoin in the first place. You can verify your own transaction without asking anyone. No bank, no middleman, just check it yourself. That kind of transparency was never possible before.
If Bitcoin launched as a fully private coin like Monero, governments would have had a much easier time killing it early. The "it's only for criminals" argument would have actually had more weight to stand on. Instead the openness of the chain made it harder to paint that picture convincingly.
The OP's point about privacy is valid in spirit but Bitcoin was never designed to be a privacy tool by default imo. It was designed to be trustless and verifiable. Those are different things.
Bitcoin was never made to hide everything, more like to let people verify by themselves. Thats why many trust it, you can check transactions anytime, no need ask anyone. If it was fully private from start, maybe its hard for it to grow. Governments would attach it harder for sure. At least now, people can see its not just for bad stuff. Privacy is still important, but I think bitcoin focus first on being open and secure. Then later, users can choose tools if they want more privacy. That balance also helps adoption.
Bitcoin was designed with a public ledger. It's the very opposite of private.
Posts like this reinforce the idea that Bitcoin was created as a honeypot by the CIA: they created a non-private system that the uninformed will think is private but actually isn't, and then catch a lot of bad guys (and probably a few innocents as well?).
The only realistic solution is trusting a company who will fight for your rights and keep your information safe while still complying with government regulations--and working with your government to make sure those regulations allow law-abiding citizens to transact privately.
Yes, this is hard, but anything else is just a lie told to you by somebody who knows that young people like to hear easy solutions to really hard problems and they will believe any sort of gup that reinforces that notion.
The concept behind this whole thread does not point that bitcoin is private nor does it have a level of privacy but perhaps we have to decide to be private, I mean, privacy is quite a key that is masked as evil in the reality of things, to be private enough in bitcoin you have to use other materials that seem to provide privacy for you but not bitcoin directly.
Right, but in this generation publicity is masked to be the way in which opportunities lays but behind the publicity or let us call it fame the actors (elites) understands the need for privacy or hidden informations, but provide to the public or the masses that doing things without privacy is the new way of life. I once heard someone say that when real investors invest in anything they do not make it public until they start taking profit which is they point they sale to the public or make announcements, this occurred to me that they value secret or privacy more than we can think of. But for the young generation the hype of fame or providing details of yourself is what rules.
I guess I was confused. Your OP seemed to imply that by being decentralized, Bitcoin is private. The two have nothing to do with each other. Decentralized architectures can be non-private (e.g. Bitcoin), and centralized systems can be private (say like a Swiss bank account).
As a side note, when talking about anonymity, you should understand the Anon Paradox which states that most honest people want anonymity for "small" money and identity for "big" money. In other words, you want the $45 in cash in your pocket to be anonymous, but you want your home, your car and your life savings stored in your name so it cannot be taken from you.
Consumers should be able to surf around the internet and make tiny payments quickly without divulging any identity, but that is a very different problem than keeping millions of dollars hidden from the tax men...
If your interpretation is correct, the forum should also frown at the use of KYCing exchanges. I do not see any difference. I agree that you're over-complicating the reason for the unacceptability of AI language models use on the forum. The reason is simple: Humans should be discussing with humans and not machines.
By the way, what most parts do you consider as overhyped? And if we come to marketing level advertisement, then there is no doubt that the market looks so unreal for now, but at the same time, we should also not forget the thing that AI is still in a learning phase, and billions of billions dollars are being invested in this sector for a better user experience. But personally, I don't want this technology as it is damaging a lot of things and disturbing the normal human IQ, as these days, youth are using it very much for asking questions about everything.
Rather, they should do some research and use their own mentality for mind exercise to boost their IQ level, but they are using this shit. But now what can we do because the world is evolving and changing so fast, and big money is a big part of all these things to be executed.