Are government employees at risk too?

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oracle365Full Member
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#1Jan 18, 2019, 11:12 AM
Not sure how it is everywhere else, but in my country, getting a government job usually means more stability compared to working in the private sector. Lately, I've been noticing a lot of layoffs in private companies, probably because of the tough economy or them wanting to replace jobs with AI. So, it got me thinking should government employees be concerned as well? Do you guys think the government might let people go to cut costs, even if they know it could lead to higher unemployment?
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im_altSenior Member
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#2Jan 18, 2019, 11:32 AM
Once you’re employed to the cilvil service, just know your job is secured 100 percentage the only condition that might get you sacked is probably your bad conduct. I mean when you get your self into act that are against the civil service rule. but I don’t think the government will just by any chance sack officers just to create more unemployment no way. If even if some job are replaced by artificial intelligence humans still need to give the right prompts.
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max_lynxSenior Member
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#3Jan 18, 2019, 03:20 PM
yes government employees can still be terminated but we also have to consider the condition of the country. for example in my country, the development of technology is quite low that a lot of our systems are still outdated so i don't really expect governments to lay off employees when they still need them. but it doesn't mean as an employee, you should slack off and feel too confident.
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lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#4Jan 18, 2019, 05:27 PM
Government jobs are generally more stable than private sector roles, mainly because they're funded by public budgets and not directly tied to profit. But that doesn't mean they're completely risk-free. Governments can still reduce staff through hiring freezes, contract cuts, early retirement programs, or restructuring, especially during economic pressure or policy changes. In some cases, automation and digitalization are also starting to affect government roles, through usually a slower pace than in private companies. That said, compared to private firms, layoffs in government are typically less sudden and less frequent. The bigger risk is often slower career growth, budget limitations, or role changes rather than outright job loss. So should government workers be worried? Probably not in the same way as private sector employees, but staying adaptable, learning new skills, and keeping up with changes like tech and AI is still important for long-term security.
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eric23Senior Member
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#5Jan 18, 2019, 07:40 PM
The simple truth is this; if you're looking for a job that has the guarantee to stay long without a possible concerned of a sack then government work is the real deal but if you're considering a job that pays higher and allows you to grow on the job, sole really good private sector is the best option. The main worry that's associated with government work is that you can spend years working and end up saving little or notting because the pay is always extremely bad. If you know what you are doing and have a life that's relatively well planned, you should not be worried about loosing job because on the long run, it's more profitable depending on your own job than a regular government job that pays so little.
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alexwalletSenior Member
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#6Jan 19, 2019, 04:42 AM
Yes, but the concern in my country isn't that something more sophisticated and efficient will replace them. Local governments in several cities in my country have recently had to lay off large numbers of civil servants to adjust to limited personnel spending. Although the central government has prohibited this decision, they have not provided a financial solution to the problem, even temporarily. This shocked the entire community in similar professions, because these layoffs were carried out collectively and not based on a written contract or specific violations.
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block2015Full Member
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#7Jan 19, 2019, 05:03 PM
Government jobs or civil service jobs are usually said to be a great deal for many persons out there, it is often seen as a job that comes with security and one doesn't have to be scared of them loosing their job any soon as would with private sectors, it is important to know that even the civil services sometimes does trim its work force when need be or better still they reshuffle but it is in rear cases, not one that you get to see too often. I remember in my country, some yea back, the government were making some reform and some government Parasta were taken down and reincooperated into an existing one, some ministries were canceled pit and those who work in those ministries actually became jobless and you cannot blame the government completely for that, they had to cut than running cost and cost of running the government was becoming too expensive and affecting the government, some special advisers and personal assistants did lost their jobs, even some permanent secretaries lost their too as their ministries were scrapped. Do government does trim down and people looses their job.
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darklordSenior Member
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#8Jan 20, 2019, 09:54 PM
It's actually happening in countries where there are crises, like what we're experiencing right now, between unemployment and savings, the government will prefer savings. If there is redundancy in a department, workers will be sacked. Government workers are not safe either, especially in municipal regional departments, because their budgets depend on the city's revenue; if the city fails to collect enough taxes and doesn't receive sufficient funds from the central government, they too must reduce their workforce.
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raven07Full Member
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#9Jan 21, 2019, 02:04 AM
It depends on how the regulations in your country regarding government and private employees, usually have different regulations, basically private companies have rights and obligations that can be done to make all decisions, so read first the regulations in your country about workers. Government employees are safer even though they can still terminate jobs if the situation and conditions are met, because they cannot just terminate the jobs of employees if they do not meet certain situations in the country.
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#10Jan 21, 2019, 07:09 AM
The coming economic crisis will affect the entire economy. The civil service will also be affected. If the government needs to cut costs, then layoffs of government employees are inevitable. The oil and gas crisis is about to take full effect. It's just that the supplies haven't run out yet. That's when all the reserve reserves run out, then the situation will be completely different. Naturally, the Strait will not be open. If any vessels are allowed through, it will be only on Iran's terms. The only way for the United States to open the strait is to launch a land invasion. But this is very fraught with negative consequences for Trump personally.
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0x0rb1tSenior Member
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#11Jan 21, 2019, 10:20 AM
In the country where I live public employees have guarantees by the law terms, so they can't be fired out, unless they do something very serious. The fact AIs are replacing jobs can't be used as justification by goverments to dismiss someone. What governments can do is to decrease the number of future jobs' spots for new employees, although the ones who are currently working there will have to be carried on until the end of their lives. In a sense, future unemployment rates will increase that way, unless new concepts and models of jobs are developed in society.
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#12Jan 21, 2019, 12:49 PM
As you say, a government job is often revered in many countries because they are more secure - if you can get in to one then it's usually harder to get kicked out compared to a private sector job and it often comes with lots of other perks like a better pension. Getting in can be difficult though because lots of people apply for them and often you need decent qualifications or you'll be filtered out of the application stage early on. However they are not completely immune to downsizing and can often end up using very legacy systems which might leave you behind if you need to get a job elsewhere in future. The government is generally slower to react to economic events or take proactive action to manage their workforce, they're much happier to wait until people retire if they want to trim down the numbers and these are often seen as a "job for life" type setup.
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def1777Full Member
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#13Jan 21, 2019, 05:25 PM
Thatcher and Reagan did that in the past, precisely to reduce costs and reduce government. However, even if public employees arent fired, inflation affects everyone. We will be facing higher inflation in the future, and it isnt easy to protect yourself from that... gold, bitcoin, maybe stocks too
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mike_defiFull Member
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#14Jan 21, 2019, 11:11 PM
Just like you rightly stated, government workers have the highest job security and will be the last set of people to be laid off irrespective of what the economy turn into. In my country, government workers join Union in which if you sack one person, they can even shut the country down through strike because they believe in the slogan "injury to one, injury to all" so government is always careful of them to avoid problems. Their type of job can hardly be replaced by AI since they do more of overseeing and regulating what is happening im the various sectors.
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sigma07Senior Member
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#15Jan 22, 2019, 03:23 AM
If in private, there are lay offs happening. It's possible that because of the crisis that we're all experiencing, government could also cut jobs depending on the budget that's set. CMIIW, most governments have their spending budget for all of the employees they have. And so, if there's a deficit or lack of the budget for some agencies that they own, then that might affect the employees salaries and could lead into laying off as well. In short, private or public, there's no more job security that we can say.
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raven_maxiSenior Member
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#16Jan 22, 2019, 09:27 PM
I am speaking from experience, the government workers are not also safe and my reason for this is that during our school years in my own School teachers are forced to leave their jobs not because of any trouble but because government said that he can't afford their payment that is salaries, which was why they have to cut them down. Nobody is safe between the government worker and companies meaning private workers from being replaced with AI. Artificial intelligence is here and it will favor those that adapt it earlier which means a lot of people have make millions from this artificial intelligence, I'm not the leader of any country or any society but I also emphasize that people show engage in AI just like in my community our staffs or teachers are force to get the knowledge of computer because every thing as become digital. In the future human being that will be relevant in the society will be those that have the knowledge of AI.
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0xChadFull Member
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#17Jan 22, 2019, 09:53 PM
Government work has a certain comfort that I believe most of the people within it never explore to the extent that it is too late. It ceases to be a feeling and turns into an assumption. You cease to see the safety net since you ceased to look down. The private sector right now is in danger. Real, daily, you-might-not-have-a-job-next-Monday. And that does cause some sort of adaptation pressure. Skills are sharpened as they must. Relevance is a question you like it or not, daily. Government employees, by no fault of their own, are not usually subjected to that pressure. Instead they receive stability, which is good until it is not. Are people fired by governments? They obviously can. Austerity programs have occurred, structural adjustments have occurred, entire departments have been eviscerated in various countries at various times in history. But more to the point, what do you do with a society that has made its whole middle class based on the promise of government jobs and then begins to withdraw that promise. Because in a lot of places, government jobs are not just employment. An unspoken contract that tells you what your future is allowed to be like, as long as you do not go outside the system. Break it and you are not merely increasing the unemployment figures. You are destroying something that people based their sense of self on. Part of that employment was not even economically rational in the first place. Part of it was governments quietly taking in labor surplus to ensure that the unemployment figures did not appear disastrous. What AI is currently doing is not producing a new problem. It is bringing up an ancient one. A transaction which was always more or less a fiction, a comfortable enough fiction that none of us dared to analyze it too closely. Now maybe we have to.
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block21Full Member
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#18Jan 22, 2019, 11:07 PM
Artificial intelligence cannot fit everywhere, there are most specific areas that needs them but not in every place people are working, companies work is not the same as the government work, in industrial companies they are into heavy equipment and so many other things that's somehow needed for an artificial intelligence to work especially the risky work but in government work there wouldn't be any function of artificial intelligence because human being can handle everything smoothly, for instance teachers, would the government neglect the capability of teachers into feeling that an artificial intelligence will be better?, so actually government cannot replace workers because of artificial intelligence but instead increase on the way they employed because the more a country is growing and expanding that's how they are also shorten manpower.
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matrix_diamondFull Member
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#19Jan 23, 2019, 09:57 PM
Yes, Its true that as compared to private employment government sector is much more secure and especially in those countries where separate rules are follow. But government employee are not fully secure because when government have short budget it shrinks the salaries of employees and also decrease the job benefits. And in current time the modern technology is grow day by day and also artificial intelligence is on the top list and its cause the problem for humans because its used for multiple and accurate tasks and obviously its increase the unemployment. And may the old employees replace with AI through retirement. So government employees have some sort of security and they don't panic in tough situations but they need to upgrade there skills and the job security is only depends on the department not only employees skills or adaptability.
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#20Jan 24, 2019, 03:39 AM
But the service process in the government is mostly data-based which is more efficient if applied in the government as well, such as population records, economic records and so on, it only takes a few people to input data, the administrative process and government bookkeeping will be much easier if using AI, we know that the information process in the bureaucracy in developing countries is very slow because of the many hands to go up to the leader, with AI it can reduce delays and data errors. Wouldn't this also be a threat to government employees?
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