Bitcoin's Original Vision Has Been Compromised

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DarkMinerFull Member
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#1Jul 8, 2020, 04:17 AM
Bitcoin used to represent something so much more meaningful than it does now. Sure, it still runs pretty much the same as it did ten years ago still decentralized, still aiming for those wild price predictions but it's completely lost that initial appeal and essence it had. Remember when Bitcoin was all about breaking free from the control of governments and banks? Well, those days are long gone. Now it's just another heavily regulated, KYC-heavy system that's watched closer than any form of currency in history. It's lost its purpose as a safe haven. Instead, it’s turning into a tool for surveillance and control. Once upon a time, corporations and governments were out to crush Bitcoin because it stood for freedom. But they couldn't kill it, so they decided to sneak in from the inside: they adopted Bitcoin, influenced its community, twisted its values, and watered down its original mission. What was supposed to be the ultimate way to escape the system has morphed into something much more obedient.
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laser2018Full Member
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#2Jul 8, 2020, 10:09 AM
Definitely the wrong place for this discussion. I dont know, Bitcoin had a soul. Well, Bitcoin isn't dead, nor did we sell its soul. The regulation we complain about is not so effective. Early adopters are still making waves in Bitcoin, the only problem is that there is no much privacy anymore.
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BasedGasHero Member
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#3Jul 9, 2020, 09:23 AM
Still we are in the process. At first, at first they will try to ignore it. Once they realize it is not possible, they will try to control, and exactly where we are now once we pass this state, then there is the real thing of using it as an alternate option to the money we have now. Bitcoin is still bitcoin and can be used as however you want it to be, and I guess that is the beauty of its decentralized nature.
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ryanminerFull Member
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#4Jul 9, 2020, 03:02 PM
That's what they asked for them to adopt Bitcoin, they cannot figure out how to kill it, so they adopt it and put it under their system, impose their will on it. We can now freely trade and use Bitcoin, but yes, the anonymity is gone, and they can even tax you. This is the price of adoption its very different now compared to when we first stumble Bitcoin. A time will come when we may forget the true nature of Bitcoin because of compliance with authorities.
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alexaltFull Member
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#5Jul 9, 2020, 09:16 PM
Anything the government gets involved in is always like that because they will always look for every means to control it. The fact is that the new adopters are into bitcoin for profit sake and care less about privacy because they don't know the real purpose of why bitcoin was created. Imagine, those buying bitcoin from ETFs. There's no difference between ETFs and banks. They are in the opposite direction with how bitcoin should be stored and used.
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b45edhashFull Member
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#6Jul 12, 2020, 08:54 AM
We sold Bitcoin's soul? I had no idea Bitcoin presently is still private, no third party, no government and whatsoever, the only thing involved is that because of security purposes and trust, one can see the transactions made by a Bitcoiner, It is still decentralised, it is still living to its purpose, Some might want Bitcoin to be completely private, but if it in such manner, we get at risk to stuff like fake transactions, and that might also be an issue.
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raven1337Hero Member
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#7Jul 13, 2020, 02:19 AM
The people remaining in the Bitcoin community will not understand this comment since as far as they are concerned Bitcoin's soul is, "number go up"  . Bitcoin's purpose--it's "soul" if you will--is to reap profits for those who buy it before others do so they can sell it later for more and then buy things with it like cars and homes and so forth. It has no unique utility value, and decentralization is no longer necessary since everything Bitcoin does is perfectly legal today.
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real_byteSenior Member
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#8Jul 13, 2020, 06:38 AM
Bitcoin is not the one being regulated, KYC'd, taxed or traced. You are. I decide whether or not I let my Bitcoin be taxed, traced to me or allowed to be stored by a third party wallet on a cryptocurrency exchange website or some other custodial and centralized platform. You can do anything with Bitcoin without the interference of the government. They cannot stop you the same way they cannot stop you from illegally laundering fiat (paper money). But in both cases if one gets caught breaking a law, they can expect a charge. So how exactly is Bitcoin disappointing you? You are the one who seems to misunderstand Bitcoin. The government/bank can freeze your account. They cannot freeze your wallet. If you give someone your KYC then expect to be traced. Bitcoin is freedom and privacy.
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sam.bullSenior Member
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#9Jul 13, 2020, 11:06 AM
Bitcoin is still what it was Like the analogy I usually use Keeping a gun in a museum doesn't stop it from being what it is, a Gun and what it can do, Kill. The government can control the people and paint narrative So they shifted why go for the network when the people are easy to manipulate. Make KYC feel like its a protection Build convenience. The issue isn't Bitcoin but how people make use of it and are concerned about now.
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#10Jul 13, 2020, 12:51 PM
Well you shouldn't sell it. We didn't sell bitcoin's soul it's still just like it was made, the government and other entities have just created an illusion that you own Bitcoin when in reality you don't own Bitcoin you just own Fiat in the Name of BTC. True Bitcioin is not held in a custodial exchange when it was made against that whole system. If you own REAL Bitcoin you get to know that no one ever "sold its soul" it's just that we never got to hold real Bitcoin and use the system it created.
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SwiftForkFull Member
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#11Jul 13, 2020, 06:12 PM
A decade ago, we thought the war against bitcoin was so severe and we prayed that the government and institutions should just adopt bitcoin so that we will all have peace of mind. Now that global adoption has happened, we are no longer comfortable and we keep lamenting and praying for status quo. What are the trojan horses? The ETF? BlackRock? US government? Is strategy among?
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the_defiFull Member
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#12Jul 15, 2020, 05:12 PM
BTC is still decentralized, and it is still on track to reach $1 million, but that was not the goal of BTC at the start. The foundation of BTC is still the same. They are regulating the exchanges and the services we use to access BTC, but there are a lot of DEXs that don't require us to provide our data or KYC, and we can still buy BTC without fiat, without any KYC or scrutiny, if we are holding it in a non-custodial wallet. So don't try to exaggerate things here bro, because things have not changed that much except adoption. And yep, they have a legal framework now, and that legal framework has made traditional investors adopt this industry because now there is no legal barrier for them, and that has resulted in billions of investment in BTC.
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alexwalletSenior Member
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#13Jul 15, 2020, 07:51 PM
The problem is, some people start to feel safe when things become regulated. The higher the value, the higher the level of skepticism; and we have no shortage of media outlets that provide us with daily crime stories involving Bitcoin. Imagine if you were never allowed to learn about freedom and rights, your perception would be that Bitcoin is only for crime. The media and government can dictate to someone like that. On the other hand, the bigger question is: how many people really need Bitcoin as an alternative to fiat currency beyond speculative means?
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f0x_nodeMember
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#14Jul 15, 2020, 08:36 PM
If by trojan horses, OP meant the fork upgrades, AI tools inclusivity, opportunity for large pockets to buy once and hold for the future instead of relying on careful DCA approach, regulatory policies before adoption, tax and remittances payment mediums or even self invested mining farms, then the topic might just be slightly misconstrued. I believe Bitcoin didn't sell its soul, it had to adapt to be adopted but the maths remains in cue and functioning according to the original white paper, but we don't think expansion in any business or as it concerns Bitcoin here, would be monotonous in nature, do we?
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hodlgangMember
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#15Jul 16, 2020, 01:20 AM
Seems the basis has revealed a testing organism for quantum computing....
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QuantumGwe1Full Member
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#16Jul 16, 2020, 03:36 AM
I almost fell for this narrative, and conclude that bitcoin has really screwed up. But hey, bitcoin may not be on its early stage but we are not close to the end yet, there are still a lot of unexpected things set for bitcoin to happen, and seeing the bitcoin community's working at progress, hopefully bitcoin will stay fully decentralized and get rid of the shadows of banks and government. However, the problem is, not all are optimistic about the future of bitcoin. And I totally understand it because for them volatility is the threat against global adoption, but let's see in the future, this volatility and decentralized nature might even turn the best assets for bitcoin.
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DarkMinerFull Member
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#17Jul 16, 2020, 09:50 AM
Don’t take my words as an attack — rather, consider them a warning. I agree with almost everything members here have pointed out so far. Just be careful what you wish for. Satoshi repeatedly highlighted the root problem with conventional currency: the excessive trust required in central banks, commercial banks, and third parties. There are many things in existence that were once created for one purpose entirely, only to end up being used for something completely different. Personally, I think Bitcoin has been tainted and its ethos is becoming more and more corrupted. Many may not understand my sentiment. If the majority of people within a culture, society, or system comply with outside forces, they become the Trojan horses — compliant, and therefore a possible threat to the integrity of the whole ecosystem. When the internet first emerged, its developers believed everyone would embrace anonymity and build their own websites. Instead, the majority chose convenience: they sold their data and accepted being tracked and traced by big corporations rather than the harder path. Bitcoin seems to be following the same trajectory.
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whale_gasMember
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#18Jul 16, 2020, 11:07 AM
We never sold its soul. Bitcoin has remain decentralized at the moment, and is still not fully controlled by the government or any third party. And bitcoin has never been a dead coin, although some analysts claimed that bitcoin has been dead for multiple times. The key here, we just need to trust the process. I know bitcoin has been the target of negative criticisms because the government allows it, but if you are a real bitcoiner, you know that the bitcoin community has been doing its best to achieve the goals of Satoshi as the founder of bitcoin. Bitcoin may just slow in its progress, but its never dead and has still an active soul. But its better to make progress through steady effort rather than speed, at least we know that its working slowly but surely.
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chris365Full Member
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#19Jul 16, 2020, 03:41 PM
The status quo may never be able to be reclaimed, we just have to learn how to live with bitcoin just the way it is now. Like others have commented, it is not Bitcoin that has been tempered with, it is still working on the same path it was invented for. The people using Bitcoin are those that are being centralized by the government. The taxes they pay, KYC’s they’ve done and the traceability are all what the people using it has settled down for, so it is not of the concern about what bitcoin has come to be. It still remain decentralized and not under the control of the government unless you make yourself centralized and government take advantage of the use of your bitcoin.
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AtomicStakeFull Member
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#20Jul 16, 2020, 06:54 PM
If you are concerned about privacy, you can still maintain privacy in Bitcoin. If you can distance yourself from the centralized and engage yourself in a decentralized system, then maybe you can still maintain privacy. But for today's new investors, profit is more valuable than privacy. So they ignore privacy and run towards profit. Bitcoin is still the same as before and many have retained the spirit of Bitcoin. But some investors have emerged recently who are not concerned about privacy.
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