Brothers Arrested for Stealing $25 Million in Ethereum

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#1Mar 24, 2020, 11:38 PM
So here's an interesting story, Two brothers got caught for pulling off a $25 million theft from Ethereum by messing around with its blockchain. Apparently, they did it in just 12 seconds, which is insane and a first of its kind. The US authorities wasted no time tracking them down. Anton Peraire-Bueno and James Pepaire-Bueno were nabbed in Boston and New York. It's wild to think these guys went to some top universities and had degrees in math and computer science. And instead of using those skills for good, they went and stole money. If they get charged, they could each face up to 20 years behind bars for every charge.
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walletoneNewbie
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#2Mar 25, 2020, 05:50 AM
It just shows that Ethereum Blockchain is not that secure if the brothers was able to steal that huge amount of money in record breaking 12 seconds? Could be the biggest and fastest in any crypto related crimes. I do hope that after this heist, Ethereum developers was able to close the loophole already and then make the integrity of the blockchain more safeguarded. And the title could be "gone in 12 seconds".
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#3Mar 25, 2020, 06:52 AM
Do people still think that those who study at prestigious schools and colleges must really be smart people? If you have money, you can buy everything, and that includes proof that you graduated. All those scammers who first steal something, and only then think about what to do with it, are for me personally in the category of very stupid people. The longer they stay in prison, the better for everyone, because if they did it once, they will do something similar as soon as they have the chance again.
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#4Mar 25, 2020, 12:49 PM
Unfortunately, I still didn’t understand what they did. If it is Miner-Extractable Value (MEV), it was used by many when it was available. Usually such exploits are described so that other projects take this experience into account. A person can be the smartest mathematician, but he cannot influence the integrity of the Ethereum blockchain.
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nova_hashNewbie
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#5Mar 25, 2020, 09:08 PM
So this exploit is post POW, which means that Ethereum developers are the one to be blame with this loophole when they move to POS? I'm not an expert here, I'm just trying to understand because when Ethereum are still under the POW protocol, yeah maybe there could be exploits here and there but I'm not sure if they've lost this kind of huge money before. Hopefully as you have said, since this exploit is well-known about developers of other projects, they could have close the loophole already.
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#6Mar 27, 2020, 02:00 AM
Ethereum has not been using the POW protocol for a long time. The essence of MEV was that miners could change the order of transactions in a block and accordingly make a profit, because there are many large pools. In the new Pos protocol there is also such a possibility, but who uses DeFi, he knows services how to hide their transactions. But it was not forbidden. But I didn't realize what these hackers did.
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#7Mar 27, 2020, 07:26 AM
This is a rare case and is rarely revealed by law enforcement. For me, anyone who catches and uncovers this case, they deserve appreciation and appreciation, what they have done has saved crypto users all over the world, from their actions in fraud. If the punishment handed down to them is as said. I agree with what was said by: @Lisa Monaco. I agree that if they were sentenced to death, 20 years in prison would not deter them.
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vectordevMember
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#8Mar 29, 2020, 02:54 AM
Exactly but I really want to see how they have done it, pretty sure that there's going to be an explanation as how they were able to do it, I'm not really surprised that Ethereum was easily attacked, I'm more surprised that the government about it and they diligently tracked the perpetrators, never heard of them able to move this fast. I guess there's someone in the government that's either doing their job or they're ETH investor and they're one of the many people that got hoodwinked by these two brothers.
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#9Mar 29, 2020, 03:20 AM
Attack is linked to MEVs. All the mining pools were doing it, so I don't understand why the arrest? What Is Maximal Extractable Value (MEV)? https://chain.link/education-hub/maximal-extractable-value-mev The administration of centralized exchanges sees all participants' bets and can profit from it, which it successfully does. Also in this case, the one who forms the block can profit from DeFi transactions in the block.
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chain745Newbie
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#10Mar 29, 2020, 05:55 AM
According to the article I read on Cointelegraph, the US Department of Justice charged the brothers Anton Berer Bueno and James Berer Bueno not only with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and theft, but also with conspiracy to commit money laundering. The brothers tampered with Ethereum's protocols for validating transactions. This involved fraudulently accessing pending transactions and changing the movement of coins, which helped them steal $25 million in cryptocurrencies from their victims. The unfortunate thing is that the Ethereum network has become vulnerable to manipulation, and the other unfortunate thing is that these young college students have used their skills for crime instead of doing useful things.
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#11Mar 29, 2020, 06:20 AM
Does anyone have a video essay that would explain how they were able to do it, I'm learning a lot of cybersecurity stuff recently and in my work so I'm trying to expand on things that's out there, I think that having an idea of how they do it can help me along the way. Doing it in 12 seconds is a really crazy thing, that would probably took them a lot of preparation to be able to pull this off.
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#12Mar 29, 2020, 08:19 AM
Some intelligent minds using it get rich quickly with efforts put into finding the vulnerability of the network. That's all I can say about these two guys who are related to each other. The government authorities are always diligent when a crime is done with digital currencies. These two boys were intelligent in finding vulnerability with the codes but were not that smart enough to hide themselves from the the authorities.   I agree they both got themselves wasted! In an ideal situation, they should have contacted the developers and asked them for remuneration to disclose the issue with the Ethereum network. They would have been paid an amount that they would have used for their development in this domain. They missed that opportunity now they will be scared for life and will live like a normal people do till they die.
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#13Mar 29, 2020, 09:14 AM
This is very difficult to do on the new protocol, but nevertheless possible if validators cooperate with relays. MEV is not fraud, but the lack of open blockchain, there are now many ways to hide your transactions. https://beaconcha.in/relays
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vectordevMember
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#14Mar 29, 2020, 02:06 PM
Hello, I know this might be too much but I'm not really that good with technology and this kind of stuff, is there like a layman's explanation about this one because it seems to be a really complicated thing. If I understand correctly, did the two brothers hijacked the blockchain so that they can get all of the fees and the transactions? Or I'm totally wrong?
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#15Mar 30, 2020, 05:57 PM
You should read more and watch a training video about MEV. Transaction fees have nothing to do with it. In simple terms, DeFi transactions in a block are buy and sell orders. If you form a block, you can earn on price changes by inserting your transactions. It's like arbitrage on exchanges, only in DeFi all exchanges are united by smart contracts in one ecosystem.
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vectordevMember
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#16Mar 30, 2020, 06:08 PM
I am totally wrong and I think that I can somewhat get what you mean, it's a really smart way of stealing people's funds, they're like basically manipulating the transactions to their favor right? They should be recruited by the Ethereum because they were able to do this kind of thing, you know, like putting their skills to good use, such skills in this field is a waste if they just let them go to jail.
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#17Mar 30, 2020, 08:07 PM
This is not stealing. If previously the miner was responsible for forming a block, now validators are responsible for this, who can use Relays to get MEV. This is not a crime, because money is not stolen from users' accounts. If the one who forms sees an arbitrage opportunity, then he will insert his transaction and make a profit. Transactions of other users will not be executed and they will lose some ETH in fees. ___ MEV is not a crime. I have given a list of relays above who receive additional income in this way and there are no charges against them. From reading the news I understood that the accused used the capabilities of MEV, but I did not understand the essence of the crime.
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#18Mar 30, 2020, 08:33 PM
It’s disheartening to see that individuals with such advanced skills and education would allegedly use their knowledge to exploit the system and defraud innocent traders. While the charges are significant, it's crucial to remember that an indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty. The justice system will thoroughly examine the evidence, and we must await the final judgment.
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#19Mar 30, 2020, 09:13 PM
Can you yourself explain the deception of traders? A smart contract may or may not be fulfilled, it depends on different moments and any DeFi trader knows it. Unfortunately blockchain with smart contracts has disadvantages because miners and validators can use MEV.
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