Current Issues Facing Miners

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satoshi23Senior Member
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#1Jun 15, 2020, 01:32 PM
Back when Bitcoin first came onto the scene, miners dealt with a bunch of hurdles. Think about government regulations, the costs of getting a mining setup, finding funding, maintenance, competing for those mining rewards, energy sourcing, and more. I'm curious for those still in the mining game, what sort of serious challenges are you facing today? I mean aside from the usual stuff that was around when Bitcoin was just starting out. In today's world, what are the main issues you guys are running into?
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quantumbearHero Member
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#2Jun 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
What I know is that the early miners are very lucky in a way that they can be able to set up a mining rig or a mining farm and even a mining pool now. They mined bitcoin on a computer and it was 50 BTC for each blocked mined at the time. It was later that they started using graphics card which is far cheaper than ASICs. It was easy to mine at that time than now. The mining difficulty was low that time but high now.
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#3Jun 15, 2020, 08:18 PM
In the early days, Bitcoin was mined by enthusiasts using CPUs, and many of them complained that their computers were overheating. At the time, no one knew Bitcoin would have such promising prospects. The current problem for miners is finding cheap electricity, which is becoming more expensive every year. Newcomers are reluctant to enter this risky business.
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#4Jun 15, 2020, 09:09 PM
Government regulation is not clear yet here in my country about having a miner, but the biggest challenge here when building or having a small mining farm is the electricity cost, which is too expensive compared to the past. I had multiple ASIC units and rigs. However, nowadays it is no longer profitable. I am planning to have a solar but still want the ASIC. The problem is that I will need big set of solar to be able to run a single ASIC unit 24/7. It's not the same as before; you can easily start mining after you buy and complain later about the noise. Don't forget the noise; it's also one of the challenges.
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#5Jun 16, 2020, 02:55 AM
Laws of my country require two meters for such cunning people. If you send excess electricity to the grid, the price will be 3 cents; if you consume it, the price will be 8 cents If you calculate all this according to different rules, then you can think about solar energy. Batteries are very expensive to buy, and if you don't mine for more than half a day, it will negatively affect your profits and the payback of your ASICs.
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satoshi23Senior Member
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#6Jun 16, 2020, 03:04 AM
I'm wondering how effective could having alternative source of renewable energy could be when we make use of the energy from solar panel, wind or any other source that could in cure less cost on the cost of energy demand, to be honest government are taking advantage of this uppon miners and they are not even making provisions to make mining encouraging to those intending to do it. They can come in by providing for them services that could encourage mining, this could  be in form of loans, setting up alternative grid for power supply to make it affordable for everyone, some miners will  have to sell their bitcoin to meet up some demands, instead of investing or holding their bitcoin reward as the challenges are more, though I won't be surprised anyway, since they have once attacked on bitcoin mining. This aspect of the noise captivated my attention the most, maybe this current dispensation could possibly bring a solution to ASICS Miners that don't make noise as well as consume more electricity.
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#7Jun 16, 2020, 07:52 AM
I think it depends on your country. If you don't have cheap loans for alternative energy development programs, it won't be profitable for you. You need to look at the experience of your local miners, because the situation varies greatly. In my country, if you start doing this, you will first have to obtain a lot of documents and permits if the power exceeds 15 kilowatts.
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satoshi23Senior Member
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#8Jun 16, 2020, 08:29 AM
I get your idea here, in this case we may not have to depend on government alone as our only alternative, there are independent services and platforms online that could serve the similar purpose, we have partnerships organizations and we also have some that are even non-governmental organizations that are willing to support any tangible project that has future prospects. That being said, if government are not ready to support everything that has to do with the challenges miners face, then I think considering for public interest or private intervention could be a good alternative in order for us to have a smooth and running mining activities, posing lesser challenges, some of them which deals with liquidity, targeting miners, an order crypto entities.
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#9Jun 16, 2020, 08:59 AM
In the early stages of Bitcoin mining, there was little competition and few challenges. The issue most miners experience then is maintenance and electricity costs because the government hasn't learned much about BTC yet. So, i consider the early miners to be the lucky one The challenges, i believe, miners are experiencing are the hardware efficiency, low competition in the hardware firm, mining difficulty/hashrate, and the environmental regulations.
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#10Jun 16, 2020, 12:30 PM
Back days, you can mine bitcoin and mine a block as a solo miner but currently, the chance of a solo miner mining a block is very slim in fact, it's will be by luck. You have cheap electricity and with CPU and GPU, you are good to go but these days, the government will be on your neck with high electricity cost and tax. Mining is difficult to make profit from nowadays because the reward is very small compared to the early days.
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#11Jun 16, 2020, 02:59 PM
I think the situation with mining in the private sector is much simpler. Power grids aren't designed for such a heavy load, and if people mine in private homes, it will lead to power outages and power lines. That's why the government in my country imposes restrictions, bans mining, and criminalizes it. Even if you mine with solar power, you need permits from energy companies and register with the tax authorities and the miner registry. That's why over 50% of mining in Russia is illegal. Assess the situation in your country and the risks; it might be more profitable for you to buy Bitcoin now than to mine.
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GigaNodeSenior Member
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#12Jun 16, 2020, 04:50 PM
Count the government regulations out, they themselves don't even know that something called Bitcoin existed at the time, I was mining and people are looking at me like a freak of nature, because I am doing something that no one else is doing, Bitcoin came like a silent thief in the night and only those who are techy knew about it. The ban on Bitcoin happened in my country right after the 2021 bull market, at that time Bitcoin is already very popular, the cost of setting up Bitcoin miners isn't that big at the time too because almost all available PC can mine Bitcoin at the time, things started to change after Bitcoin starts adding value, the only challenge I add at the time, around 2016 was electricity.
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#13Jun 16, 2020, 06:03 PM
What do you mean, PC? Bitcoin mining on computers ended back in 2013. If before they made ASICs that you could run on a regular home outlet, now most 2026 ASICs pull over 5 kilowatts, and barely any of them use air cooling.
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#14Jun 16, 2020, 09:14 PM
I can add a few problems: Due to the high complexity of the network, solo miners work with virtually no chance of finding a new block. Well-known mining pools now have a know-your-client procedure, although previously the pool did not even have registration.
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#15Jun 16, 2020, 10:19 PM
very very very simple dollars per watt burned is terrible. a th earns 3 cents the best air miner is the s21xp it makes 270x.03=8.1 $8.10 a day it burns 3500 watts an hour or 3.5x24=84 84kwatts at a minimum so 8.10/84=0.0964 9.64 cents a kwatt is the earnings on the best air cooled machine the machine cost 4k 4000/8.10=493.827  days to pay it off if you have free power. 4000/7.26=550.964 days to pay it off if you have 1 cent power 4000/6.42=623.053 days to pay it off if you have 2 cent power 4000/5.58=716.846 days to pay it off if you have 3 cent power 4000/4.74=843.882  days to pay it off if you have 4 cent power none of the above are realistic power costs for a large mine 4000/3.90=1,025.641 days to pay it off if you have 5 cent power     This is more realistic for large mines the $3.90 is true earnings after power and all other costs 4000/3.06=1,307.19 days to pay it off if you have  6 cent power       this is meh hard to pay off the gear (buy coins instead ) 4000/2.22=1,801.802 days to pay it off if you have 7 cent power      this is bad and really hard to pay off the gear (buy coins instead) 4000/1.38=2,898.551 days to pay it off if you have 8 cent power      this is terrible and next to impossible to pay off the gear. (buy coins instead) 4000/0.54=7,407.407  day to pay it off if you have 9 cent power       this is pretty much crazy to mine in bulk just buy coins. so looking above only mines with 5 cent a kwatt total costs are likely to exist and turn profit with the best gear you can buy. liquid mining is hard to calculate as cooling costs are complex. but air cooled large mines are freaking dead
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#16Jun 17, 2020, 03:18 AM
The Antminer S21 XP (270Th/s) 3645W 13.5j/Th is a decent ASIC today, but I have a question for you: what will you do after the halving? Will profitability with such an ASIC only be possible if the network hashrate increases by 30-40% or electricity costs 2 cents or less? The problem for miners is that they haven't yet worn out their old equipment, and they already need to save up for new ASICs in 2028.
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#17Jun 17, 2020, 09:02 AM
Every miners who don't have cheap or free electricity will run after more efficient ASICS once they get released, cheaper electricity becomes the most important to them. If I have access to free electricity I don't mind running old miners that sucks a lot power for some fair enough hashrates, I won't care much I believe, after Bitcoin halving I hope a new all time high becomes reality. Else it will be doomsday, less block rewards but higher price will make things worthwhile.
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#18Jun 17, 2020, 09:44 AM
The problem for miners is that electricity costs are rising every year, making it difficult for small miners to find sources of affordable electricity. Large miners are investing in their own electricity generation and installing equipment close to their operations to reduce losses. But at $60,000 per Bitcoin after the halving, all miners will have problems.
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