So the US government has shut down due to some funding issues. With this happening, I'm curious about how it’s gonna impact us traders. For starters, key economic indicators like CPI, PPI, and NFP won't be released as they usually are while the shutdown lasts. This means the markets could get pretty choppy and less volatile until we see those reports come out. We should all be cautious and keep our risks low until things get back to normal in government.
Effects of government shutdown on trading markets
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bridge_atlasFull Member
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#2May 30, 2023, 10:46 AM
Maybe you are mostly referring to the Other markets, but crypto markets don't depend so much on fundamental economic indicators. It has been like this for years until maybe when the crypto ETFs became a thing.
I think the crypto market will just continue acting the way it has been before. Matter of fact, I think you have even witnessed the pump happening from a few days back.
If not for the ETF's what has the US politics got in influencing the crypto market let alone bitcoin. For the last two days despite the US government shutdown bitcoin has being in the rise with a strong green move not caring what's happening at the Capitol.
Maybe you weren't monitoring the market. At the time of the shutdown bitcoin price was $114k, instead of a dip in price as some feared bitcoin price is on the upside at $121k. Traders/investors are confidently holding their position against what could have being a panic sell situation out of FUD. Perhaps if it were to be the economics wars (tariff) and the conflict situations in europe and the Middle East we could have witnessed a different market reaction.
Aside from that I think that people already consider bitcoin as the digital gold, so they kind of using it to fight inflation.
We've noticed how gold and bitcoin just keep going up despite the bad news. I don't know if people are trying to allocate some percentage of their wealth into risky asset and hedge against inflation but so far the crypto market looking pretty good with altseason index going up.
I agree that crypto doesn't seem to be affected that much, but maybe that's just my biased perception.
alex_shardSenior Member
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#5Jun 1, 2023, 03:46 PM
Technically, government shutting down is supposed to support bitcoin rise in price because investors will simply move their funds to an active market and out of the US currency since the government is on shutdown. Maybe that could contribute to the rise in price you have described. But what the rise is attributed to is rate cut which is also positive for bitcoin because reducing interest rates means less profits in the currency market, hence investors will move their money to other assets such as bitcoin and gold.
The US government shutdown is only temporary, we all know that. During its temporary shutdown, many markets like stock, gold markets will continue their operations so Bitcoin market is not the exception at all.
People can have more reasons to invest money in Bitcoin than the US government's temporary shutdown like common inflation issue of fiat currencies, declining purchasing power of fiat currencies, financial recessions and more. The US government shutdown is used many times by market makers to fud markets, not only Bitcoin market, but if you are experienced, you will feel it not harmful at all.
vault_2009Full Member
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#7Jun 2, 2023, 06:18 PM
What else you could expect when government agencies are not working? Markets will remain range bounded. I have seen such markets during Christmas and New year times. But, I am sure insider information could play major roles on manipulating hence being careful or completely staying away from the markets will help you when you are a professional trader. I do see that bitcoin markets have been trading at the same direction of US markets especially after bitcoin ETF but in recent days bitcoin follows gold which must be a good sign in my view.
But, real investors are using their fiats to move crypto market hence I am sure US economic data must be having its own role on crypto markets. I mean that a big investor will decide about moving their funds from bank to crypto or not fully depends on their confident on dollars. Treasury markets like bonds are influencing crypto for sure.
What looks as close as what you are talking about relating to cryptocurrency is ETF. But apart from that I don't think btc has to do with release of fundamentals. The regulation is not uniform since every country has their different perspective to it.
As always, traders have to be careful in trading but not like to wait for release of government monthly policy outlook like stock or forex/fiat as it is done in US.
ryan_orbitFull Member
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#9Jun 4, 2023, 06:26 PM
Usually this results in an overall decline in the price of existing coins but instead the situation is better as the price of coins such as Bitcoin is experiencing an increase. For traders, not only is the US government shutdown a necessity for caution in trading, but almost everyone needs to be cautious to avoid losses while trading. Conditions like this often trigger FOMO, but professional traders already understand the impact of self-control and make prudent decisions.
Cryptocurrency is less affected by this situation because we can currently see the market trending at a rate of overall price increases for coins. Being careful and reducing risks is indeed necessary, but not only because of conditions like this, but almost every time it needs to be thought about so that nothing happens that could harm them.
shard_minerSenior Member
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#10Jun 4, 2023, 06:39 PM
The areas where this shutdown effect would be felt mostly includes areas which secure market data provision for key economic reports of which traders rely on to take positions in the market.
It becomes delayed during this time, while price action can happen swiftly showing that the price of Bitcoin and crypto currencies can fall at the initial stage of this shutdown and can rise dramatically because they are alternative currencies unlike the major fiat currency which is the dollar.
Also, we could see regulations and regulatory duties by the SEC largely reduced and the overall market sentiments during this time is often short lived because from history such similar incidents may have happened and it surely doesn't stop cryptocurrency from actively being transacted or used during this time.
SilentYieldSenior Member
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#11Jun 4, 2023, 09:32 PM
Bitcoin should not be tied to such centralized entities and linked to the government. I honestly don't like it, but considering ETFs and institutional adoption, economic decisions do influence the future direction of assets that are simplified using ETFs.
I think he is a trader who basically trades according to economic conditions and political decisions, which become the basis for their trading decisions, so yes, it depends on each individual's strategy when trading in the market.
ryan_orbitFull Member
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#12Jun 6, 2023, 07:25 AM
Any influence with the impact of the FOMO that occurs is temporary because the market will continue to get support for gradual recovery and maybe the fundamental impact will affect the main economic report in the policies they will release. Cryptocurrency market performance as a whole has many factors that can cause the price of coins corrected, fall or rise significantly and that is as happened in some previous moments. Market sentiment can occur at any time and there may be many factors that influence this happening as we have seen before.
People no longer experience excessive panic in these conditions so that beliefs and markets sometimes do not experience a large turmoil even though the effect of the Fed's decision on the pruning of interest rates can affect it as usual in a relatively fast vulnerable time. This shows that the market can sometimes run differently from the performance that occurs on some major influences that have a role to make chaos.
While goverment reports and news affects the market a lot. We shouldn't be dependent to them with our decisions
We have to weigh the situation and reports that they are showing. And that is because these news could affect us and cause panic if we are not careful.
It is good to be used as market indicators for fundamentals but not accurate sometimes.
matrix2014Senior Member
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#14Jun 6, 2023, 08:15 AM
Yes, the suspension of the publication of important economic data such as the CPI, PPI, and NFP is indeed the most obvious impact of government shut down markets. This data is usually the primary reference for market participants in analyzing price movements. Without clear data, the market tends to move uncertainly and even stagnate. In these conditions, traders must be even more cautious. It's best to minimize risk by reducing lot sizes or trading volumes and avoiding overtrading, as market direction is often unclear.
Careful traders must not only look at charts but also understand the ongoing global context. Gold or even Bitcoin can be considered alternative safe haven, potentially generating profits due to increased public interest.
That's why many large investment companies now, when they sense a market crash, transfer their assets into Bitcoin because they know it's not controlled by any government in the world.
And once they see that their other assets have normalized again, they'll transfer them back to their usual market, but they'll still leave some for Bitcoin and will also perform
DCA (Dollar-Cost Averaging) on it, since some already recognize it as digital gold in this era.
They can have different choices: cash, gold, and Bitcoin. If such a crash happens, cash can help them securing their capital in number but where to store their cash is another big challenge. If it is in banks, risk of bankrupcy is not small in financial crisis time in a nation and around the world.
Stablecoins can be choices of many people in cryptocurrencies but such stable coins can depeg and this risk is not small too.
There are two other options: Gold and Bitcoin with which their prices will grow more with time if you can hold them. They are not like cash and stablecoins that have decreasing purchasing powers with time including depeg risk for stablecoins particularly.
Between gold and Bitcoin, Bitcoin is better in ROI in many latest years since 2009.
silentchainHero Member
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#17Jun 6, 2023, 03:35 PM
Moreover the US government only have influential impact on the finance and stocks markets which are centrally regulated and not crypto which is decentlized (no government) and even if as the ETF may have partial influence of the crypto markets price, it is definitely not going to affect traders who navigates the market on regular basis while volatilities remains a contender against traders obligations of predicting the direction of the market to make profits. So there is no need for traders to panic rather, investors who are more concerned and hopeful for uptrends in other for them to make profits are ones to feel the impact of the furlough because, when there is no inflow of incomes it affects demands order but yet despites the move to the shutdown bitcoin volatilities or market background has been responding as usuals.
I don't think so, this has a really huge effect on some approval deadlines about ETFs now, because even before, even though there's ETF approvals happened, there's no really huge volatility happening or even a change in trading volume, as the hype or effect is not happening during the day of ETF approval/denial/postponement.
What I only saw was Bitcoin andthe entire market just pumped when the US government started to shut down earlier, which for me, it's kinda given as this kind of issue Bitcoin solves, like general fundamentally effect or improvement.
With a shut down, the government's activities are suspended, and the publication of economic reports is accordingly stopped. As a result, the interest rate cut promised earlier by Jerome Powell will not happen, as there are no reports. Actually, the current decline in the market confirms the negative impact of the shut down on the crypto market.
First event is a new milestone has biggest effects on the market. Other later similar events like Spot ETF approvals on Ethereum, and even other altcoins would naturally have smaller effects. The crowd soon will absorb enough with a similar news so that they are no longer sensitive as either FOMO or panic with it and I expect really little effects on any altcoin Spot ETF approval in the future years.
If it happens, you can miss the train by staying outside but it is not a big deal if you don't lose your money. If you believe in big market bullish effects, bet on it, and it won't come, you might lose your money when the market reacts negatively. It's not a good way of investment or trading in this volatile market.
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