So, after the insane stock market launch of SpaceX, Elon Musk’s net worth hit a staggering $1.11 trillion according to Bloomberg. He’s officially the world’s first trillionaire, surpassing big names like Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Jeff Bezos, and Bernard Arnault.
Oxfam pointed out that Musk has more wealth than the poorest 46% of the global population combined, which is around 3.8 billion people. They even say that taxing just 10% of his fortune could fund initiatives to wipe out extreme poverty for a year, potentially lifting over 800 million people above the poverty line. But honestly, that’s just not gonna happen. The global wealth gap is widening, and I seriously doubt it’ll ever close. The divide between the haves and have-nots will just keep on growing.
There’s talk from some groups about the government stepping in to limit the power of these mega-corporations, raising taxes on extreme wealth, and boosting labor protections and wages. But come on, we all know that’s not gonna fly since these billionaires basically own the political scene. Instead of just whining about it, why not focus on ways to boost our own income and make smarter investments? Capitalism is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Elon Musk becomes the first trillionaire: A never-ending income gap
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boss_wizardSenior Member
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#2Sep 29, 2022, 02:51 AM
Honestly, nothing wrong with it. He founded SpaceX and the IPO become a huge success, isn't it normal that he become the first trillionaire.
It is to me doesn't mean wealth disparity, it means he created value and market rewards it. The market in this case also includes ordinary citizens.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy SPCX stock. Not to mention inflation exist and everything will always go up in dollar notional value, there will be next mega IPO and next trillionaire, it's something that is already set in stone.
Increasing tax may be okay-ish, but honestly I always consider this "tax 10% lift 800 million people from extreme poverty" as bullshit though. We shouldn't force redistribution of wealth but create a more fair system where everyone can achieve their dream through hardwork.
When I saw the title of this thread I knew immediately that it has to be Elon Musk, and there is no doubt about it when I began to read the OP post, Elon musk, is an extraordinary visionary so it's not surprising that he has to broke a rare record of becoming the world's first trillionair. I wouldn't be surprised if other exceptional people joins the list in the future but he will remain the first to achieve such a height of success in life.
Inequality will never cease because in the human characteristics we are not created to be equal, there will always be the poor in every societies and the super rich will always make sure that it remains like that because it favors them, they will manipulate the system by influencing policies in their countries. I think that what we can do as individuals is to work smart to better our own micro economy to escape poverty, think outside the box to find the right skills to create wealth. Everybody cannot be a millionaires and billionaires or like Elon Musk, a trillionair but we can work towards being comfortable if we are focused on goals that leads to wealth creation.
The $1 trillion was not a coincidence. SpaceX's contracts with the government lasted for years. Tesla continued to exist on the subsidy. The DOGE thing literally provided him with access to federal agencies that regulate his corporations. The guy discovered that if you are rich enough, there is no distinction between public money and private wealth.
And, yes, Oxfam says that a 10% tax on his fortune would bring 800 million people out of extreme poverty for one year. Will it happen? Not at this time. Of course, that is not an absolute. That is such a weird conclusion to reach. You look at a problem that is caused by certain tax codes, and certain lobbying, and you go "well, guess it is permanent".
There is always the invest steadily and income approach, and yes, it has merit. Obviously. No one's saying not to do that. But come on. The bottom 50% of humanity holds 2% of global wealth. You think they are all just bad at picking stocks?
Feudalism looked permanent. At the time, the colonies seemed to have a future. The divine right of kings seemed to be well established. None of them were. Systems break when enough people stop accepting the premise.
Late stage capitalism starts to break down the bonds of trust in society. America is almost entirely under corporate capture right now. Media companies have been consolidating relentlessly over the the last few years, so just a few people are in control of telling people what to think. Things like the food supply chain to all the big restaurant chains have maybe one or two companies fulfilling the role. Sure, it gives you economies of scale but it also prevents any choice, when such companies get into exclusive arrangements with farmers and lock out competition as much as possible. Then we have Elon, who if he was a nice guy I'm sure he'd have more support - but he's done and said some pretty horrible, unnecessarily divisive things at the moment and is constantly trying to undermine other governments after he famously failed to help the US government at all. As AI and automation take out even more jobs in future, society needs a really hard think and should get these billionaires + trillionaire to pay far more back.
bridge_atlasFull Member
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#6Sep 29, 2022, 10:00 PM
People tend to keep a blind eye to how messed up capitalism is until it's too late. Now here is a classic example, and funny enough, the so-called richest folks never seem to ever get satisfied with what they have. They always keep digging for more and more.
I pity the retail traders rushing in to participate in the IPO. They are the prey while someone is on their journey to being the first trillionaire.
gwei_minerSenior Member
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#7Sep 30, 2022, 03:13 AM
It has always been in the nature of man not to be satisfied which is why human society keeps advancing, if there was satisfaction then there will be no progress or any kind of changes but however it seem to me like most people do not appreciate the fact that one man is able to accumulate such wealth and sounds quite unhealthy as the 1% of of the world now has another 1% inside of the 1%. But well if you can figure out ways to gather all the wealth in the world, I call them genius because its the actual strive of everyman just that they have done it without the rest so it seems unfair.
He is not longer trying to be already has, firstly it has been speculated long ago that he would have such momentum but then the IPO is going to make everyone money including the retailer, so I dont pity anyone Im glad to see it happen within my generation and a new milestone has been set.
This is a wake up call to every individual and investor alike to try and focus more on their financial sovereignty because the rules is changing very fast. The rich gets richer while the poor gets poorer and are eventually thrown off the scale.
Since capitalism is now the way the world rewards investors with wealth, it should be the goal for the every individual to invest and expand their investment and build their own income streams as the ultimate hedge against inflation and current capitalist inequality.
Income inequality will never end simply because of human nature. The experiments carried out in an attempt to eliminate it ended up being far worse, resulting in much more pronounced income inequality and, on top of that, everyone being much poorer, as well as political repression, censorship, mass killings, famine and mass exoduses.
Apart from that, the word trillion may strike us as very striking or scandalous, but at the rate inflation is rising, it means far less than it did 50 or 100 years ago. The top ten richest people in the world we see today are no richer than Rockefeller was in his day. Although there is now debate as to whether, adjusted for inflation, Musk would indeed be.
dave_satoshiSenior Member
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#10Sep 30, 2022, 04:50 AM
If we look at worlds richest guys like Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates then one thing common is that they come up with some innovative idea and then extremely work hard. If Elon Muck is worlds first trillionaire then it didn't happened overnight but he worked hard for years to get to that point. It's also a lesson for ordinary people like us to work hard to change our financial status because there is no point in cursing the government nor the system. If you don't like the system then make it to the top and change the system otherwise follow it.
Okay, so according to some communists, it's really wrong for Musk to make so much moneyat least on paper. What the communists don't tell you is that, thanks to people like Musk, the standard of living for everyoneincluding the poorest peoplehas risen to levels of progress and well-being that were unimaginable just a couple of centuries ago where most people spent nearly 100% of their income just on food, and where, if you look at the literature, descriptions of hunger were everywhere.
But in this thread, we see that the general rule holds true: the more envious and resentful a person is, the more left-wing that person is.
This is bullshit. After all, it's just an excuse from governments to milk more money from the middle class, while keeping the powerful ones untouched, otherwise, they simply move their funds to any other country which will impose less taxes over their fortunes.
Now you are talking. That is what we can do. That is what is under our reach. Let's make the best we can with the tools with have available, without wasting time and energy focusing on the fact somebody else has superior patrimony than us.
After all, it's out of our control to rule this world. So, let's stick to ruling our personal lives in the best way as possible. If that were a common mindset worldwide, it should be already enough to make an impact on the global picture.
The phenomenon we see today is that income is growing linearly and wealth is growing exponentially, because worker only can only increase their income around 5-10% a year, but asset owner can enjoy asset growth from shares, property, technology, intellectual property rights, data, distribution networks, and acquisitions simultaneously. Beside economic power, giant corporation has influence on government regulation, media access, technology and the access to capital (money power), which make capital concentration grew faster than income distribution. When we live in this era where capital grows faster than salary, then we should strive to be asset owners, not just exchangers of time for money. Labor is no longer most valueble thing in the world but ownership or access to assets, network and technology.
Once again, I feel sad to find the economic inverted pyramid. Just imagine valuation of single multinational corporation or Elon Musk's wealth can approach even surpass the economic capacity of developing country. This demonstrates that capital is now increasingly concentrated in global corporate networks that operate across national borders.
cyberp1x3lFull Member
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#14Oct 2, 2022, 05:14 AM
I am in no way or shape a communist, never was, never will be. But Elon Musk being rich is not the problem to me, it is the fact that we have a guy who has trillions, while we also have corrupt officials who fail to solve a simple problem of homelessness and drug addicts.
I do not want a nation that both has tens of thousands of people on the streets OD'ing and also a guy with a trillion dollars. Now, if we take ALL of Musk's money, and put it on solving this, I bet you that we would improve but these politicians would still not be able to solve the issue. I do not want these politicians to do anything really.
What I want, is to have a nation ,where medical care is "free", paid by taxes, and government negotiates drug prices and hospital prices to the death, like as cheap as possible, and pay for that, and that way, your tax would be smaller than your medical insurance, you would literally be saving money while be able to solve everything for free, I want these politicians to pick up every single person who is OD'ing on the streets, put them in shelters, and help them. If you do those, THEN have a trillionaire, that is actually amazing. But not those two together at the same time, that's the part I dislike.
I agree with you especially on the aspect of not forcing redistribution of wealth, that will not work out fine because it will create lazy generations. The reason why countries that practice capitalism have more jobs and more billionaires is because talented individuals are encouraged to create businesses and jobs while the government handles the regulation and providing the enabling environment and amenities. In other systems of government where the governments are saddled with every responsibility including job creation, we tend to see them overwhelmed and citizens not able to unlock their full potentials.
It is only difficult to grow wealth at the base level. once you have passed that stage and can make your money work for you, it becomes easier to increase your wealth and become even more wealthy. income inequality has been there and will continue to be there both now and times to come. that elon musk net worth is now in trillion does not change what has been the case for the longest time possible. the wealthy will continue to become wealthier and the poor will become poorer except they are ready to pay the price that takes them to the top.
The greed of these wealthy people is immeasurable. Musk is in a position to touch the lives of millions of people with just a small percentage of his wealth, but, as you posted, that's not going to happen; they want their wealth all to themselves because many billionaires will try to climb the ladder and compete with Musk.
So that's going to be the cycle, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. This is an injustice that the world cannot solve. We are living in a laissez-faire culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire
hodler_ha5hFull Member
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#18Oct 2, 2022, 04:30 PM
AFAIK, Musk's proposes the universal basic income so that in the future there will be at least a bit of equality for the minimum wage earners and to sustain the kind of living that everyone is thinking of. When AI is going take over jobs, people will have no money to buy to consume and these companies will have no customers to pay them for. While even with so much proposals, from the governments, rights groups and concerned prominent people. The inequality is just going to be broadened as time passes by but let's not put Elon as the example of it because that guy worked very hard for it and went through serial hardships, failures and rejections before he reached wherever he is right now.
matrix_diamondFull Member
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#19Oct 2, 2022, 04:59 PM
the world many successful people has there own struggling stories because everyone has not the inherited wealth to invest so majority of successful people start with nothing and ends with a million dollars of empires. We saw many billionaires of current time like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates and many others they have officially billions of dollars and there success shows that they have a long journey of hardworking, risk taking and risk management in difficult time. All these Billionaires everyone goes to his declined but in this time they stay calm and keep patience and works hard so now they are the best people in world. So if we become different and superior from others then we should make more efforts to take risk and plans a good business and keep patience during this journey.
QuantumVectorFull Member
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#20Oct 2, 2022, 06:47 PM
What some people don't know is that, it is not by Elon Musk's making to be the first person to be worth a trillion dollars in position, but by the businesses he has in place that he didn't wake up one morning to have it boom to this extent.
Everyone on earth is working tirelessly in one way or another. Anyone who makes more than millions on people on earth shouldn't be given different opinions on how their wealth can serve humanity if shared.
That being said, the proposal of some of the organizations will not work or stand because there are many more people in the future who will arrive at a trillion worth through the large companies they have that gave them such wealth.
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