How much of your income should you trade with

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dr_bitNewbie
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#1Jan 16, 2019, 08:18 AM
I've been seeing a lot of chatter about how much money folks should be risking when trading. Some say you should stick to 2% of your income, while others argue it should be capped at 1%. Now, I get that trading isn’t the same as gambling, but it’s still pretty risky since many traders end up losing. With the right strategies and a bit of patience, though, you can cut down on those losses and actually make some profit. A lot of people think that figuring out the right percentage of their income to trade with is a good place to start. So what do you all think? What percentage of your income is reasonable to put into trading?
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#2Jan 16, 2019, 09:10 AM
This is said to prevent people from the dangers of addiction, we all know that those that abide by that rule is also not more than 1% of those that hear it. Yes, they are different, and they also share a similarity of being risky, and not to forget, before you can really be able to minimize risks and achieve considerable profit in trading, a good skill and experience in it should be achieved, else your losses would be great It is wrong, percentage of money used for trading has more to do with minimizing risk rather than strategy. When it comes to trading strategies, we have swift strategy, volatility Strategy, overnight strategy, day strategy, e.t.c. less than 5% is fine, it is a risky activity and as such I would always approach it with what I can afford to loose.
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dr_bitNewbie
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#3Jan 16, 2019, 12:51 PM
There was a research I read in the past, some people have the experience but they are not disciplined enough but go against their strategies and continue to lose while trading. In the research, some people have been trading for 5 years but later stopped trading. Some people got married and stopped it because of their past experiences about it and they want to become a responsible husband and father. Some people will try their best but continue to lose. It is very important for people to have a percentage they should use for trading and they should truly be able to afford to lose th money. There will be good days and bad days but emotions and panic will reduce with small amount of money used for trading. I chose 1%, but I can go up to 10% if it is bitcoin.
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#4Jan 16, 2019, 03:54 PM
If you don't have lots of money, you aren't going to make it from 2% of your money. Since 2017, I went all-in, I saved all of my earnings in Bitcoin, and only left a few dollars to eat food and pay the rent. I missed 2016's halving, I was unprepared for that and for BCH fork too, so I dug deep into information and learnt from my mistakes and my attempt succeeded. Trading is also like gambling when you play with futures, long and short positions and when you trade with increased leverage, trading is also gambling when you invest in memecoins and shit altcoins. Trading is not gambling when you invest in Bitcoin and Ethereum. Buy Bitcoin, wait and you'll succeed. Sometimes sell, wait for the dip, buy again and then sell again at high price. Bitcoin is not a meme coin to suddenly spike or crash, it's going up in the long term.
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dr_bitNewbie
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#5Jan 16, 2019, 07:57 PM
We should differentiate between holding and trading. If you buy bitcoin and and hold it for a long period of time, that is not trading but holding. But some people can hold the coin for some weeks which can be regarded as swing trading which is also part of trading. I agree with you even if you do not use leverage, liquidation is still possible with the shit coins.
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hashhqMember
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#6Jan 16, 2019, 11:32 PM
Agree that the gambling percentage should be as small as possible because it is certain to lose... there are more losses than wins so many suggest a small percentage. If in trading, for myself, the max percentage is 20% for trading because I know the big risk, so I don't want a large percentage, even though I have a good level of skill and good patience, it will pay off in terms of profit. In trading depends on how we use leverage, the higher the higher the risk of loss...depends on how to manage the risk too. But for me it is a little safer to trade on spot.
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#7Jan 17, 2019, 05:04 AM
Actually the 2% advice is good for my own opinion on that matter. Of course to avoid the so-called addiction. And it is also good that we can practice from the beginning limiting ourselves in terms of the fund that we will enter into any casino platforms here in cryptocurrency. But if your income is already ranging from 2000$ every month maybe 2% is a lot, it is better to just do 1% if that is the salary or income of the gambler. This is just my own perspective and opinion so as not to lead to addiction.
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mr_cipherNewbie
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#8Jan 17, 2019, 09:32 AM
I'm not sure but I think that will be less than 5%. But some traders can use more than 5% especially when they already lost in trading. They will not listen to their limitation because they want to recover from their loss. They must concern about how good their skill in trading because that is the important thing they should have. If their skill is good enough to analyze the market, they can use more than 5% allocation money. But there is no certain percentage that we can advised to them because that will be depend on themselves.
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#9Jan 17, 2019, 12:22 PM
There have not been a be verified article that states what percentage of Incomes people should use to gamble. Gambling is a choice and everyone has the right to choose their volume of risks and plans. What should been foreseen in such speculation is basically reasonable gambling advise since a lot of players are getting lost of their self control. The start for prospect traders begins at knowing the risks involved and how to manage them drastically while profits is the main goal. Consider the percentage of your income to be alternated on trading could be crucial because trading as a short term chasing of profits can be risky as that of gambling because you make wrong decisions at times rather the difference is that gambling is strickly a game of luck while trading is based on applying strategies but yet, you can't will at all time as loosing is paramount. There are certainly trading experts who profits more than their looses, so, they literally don't care Investing more of their income on it because it's believed that they'd make profits on the long time with their trading terminologies. So you can't just recommend for such confident traders rather we just advice newbies to always trade with with they can afford to loose regarding the risk of trading which they might not be knowledgeable about. The ball is always on individual court based on their affordability to risk.
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minerio971Full Member
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#10Jan 17, 2019, 03:26 PM
Depends. The percentage can change from person to person. 10% of a million usd is 100k usd and that’s lots of money. 10% of 100k usd is only 10k usd and while its not a very big amount, it is not very small either. Also, how successful are your trades? If you can generate a reliable profit from your trades then you can increase the amount of money in your trading stash. If you are only starting, then it makes more sense to take a more conservative approach.
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#11Jan 19, 2019, 08:51 PM
The allocation depends on the income, if it is large then 1% is enough for gambling but if the income is small it may not be enough, simply the measure for gambling for me is to gamble with money that you can afford while for trading I can allocate more even though both are risky but considering there are opportunities there for us to manage and the percentage of getting results from trading is much better than gambling as long as you have the skills and also take advantage of every opportunity in the market.
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#12Jan 20, 2019, 02:33 AM
Everybody has different capacities and know what's best for them, I can't really say that there's a general percentage of money that all traders should trade with besides you said that trading isn't really like gambling, trade based on your level and also what's within your comfort zone. Using a small lot size reduces the risk of losing so if you trade with such a strategy it means that you must use a significant amount of money to get a reasonable amount of profit.
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#13Jan 20, 2019, 03:22 AM
The percentage is still the same loss percentage in my opinion regardless of the income, someone who earns 1 million is having same loss rate with someone who earns 100k if they both risk losing same percentage. But what I understand is every income comes with bigger responsibility so my opinion has always been risk any amount you can afford to lose as the percentage will varies depending on each person. Both of us can actually be earning same income but you might be able to risk more than I do, so it is not a percentage thing. As for increasing your risk or probably your position size in trading when you get more profit, personally I will say you need to do that carefully so you don’t give away everything you profited back to the market. Also do not add more position size from your extra income, if you wish to increase your risk make sure it is from your profit in that trading
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#14Jan 21, 2019, 05:20 PM
What's your actual reason for "trading"? Is it merely to gamble? OK, then use the smallest amount of your savings that you want to use. Is it to profit from those trades and "change your life"? You probably should save to have a good amount of capital to risk for trading because you would be wasting your time if your profits are so small that it wouldn't make a difference if you made some profit from "trading" or if you worked in Mcdonald's. Plus if you can't outperform Bitcoin from "trading", then why not HODL Bitcoin and outperform 90% of shitcoin traders?
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#15Jan 21, 2019, 08:44 PM
This depends on the trader's salary because if you are earning $3,000 for instance, 10% of that is $300 and 10% of $1,000 of another trader's salary is $100. Now that is the difference in salary percentage manifesting in how much you want to trade with. But my question is whether you are referring to how much capital to start trading with or how much percentage of trade order per trade you want to order. As to capital to start up trading, it doesn't really matter much if you have knowledge and can control your emotions. For how much percentage by order, I think 1% of the trading capital is cool then applying SL is fine. To take lower risk in trade is more strategic than to increase risk. Bitcoin and other tradable instruments are very volatile and can move against the direction of your analysis and call margin is the next you struggle with. 1% is fine for a gradual build up of trade experience.
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orbitx744Newbie
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#16Jan 23, 2019, 10:47 PM
Shouldn't you calculate the percentage of money you may not need for the next six months (after deducting expenses and emergency funds)? Setting a fixed percentage of income will lead to disastrous results. The percentage is determined according to the market. In a bull market, I recommend no more than 3%, while the percentage may rise to 20% in a bear market and for long-term investment in Bitcoin.
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#17Jan 24, 2019, 12:55 AM
This process if well adhered to will narrow the taste of gambling to be seen as fun and entertainment, a way of making money when luck comes in to play, and that will put away addiction from gambling. Trading has tools and patterns that needs learning, skills and self-development/discipline to acquire in other to be successful, while on the side of gambling, it is a 50/50 chances. A single thing that is common between these two is risk and losses, which cannot be taken away when it comes to finding a way to make money online or in real life. For beginners, it is better to use a safe amount/percent to avoid financial emotional issues. I think for a starter, using 2% will be okay, while learning the process of trading.
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mr_ravenMember
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#18Jan 24, 2019, 06:26 AM
As a beginner I would advice you not to trade with more than 30 percent of what you earn, the reason why I'm saying that is because you are still in the learning process and you are probably going to make a lot of mistakes when trading, losing is going to be inevitable...As someone who has gone beyond the Intermediate level I would say that you can trade with whatever percentage of money you know is convenient for you..at this phase you are mature enough to understand risk management.
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degenxHero Member
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#19Jan 24, 2019, 08:54 AM
using a set percentage of your income like 2~3% isn't really worth it. for example, someone who earns $5k/month, 3% is $150, let's say they are a great trader who can profit 8% per month, that's only $12. even if we compound it over many months and assume he's always in profit (which is very unrealistic), for the amount of work/hours one need to put in, the returns are not worth it at all. trading with a small capital is just a waste of time, you will get a much better return just investing it and holding long term. instead of a set % of income, one should start trading with a "good" amount that he can afford to lose.
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the_titanSenior Member
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#20Jan 24, 2019, 09:33 AM
I'd say it just depends on what your expenses are? I mean, if you're at minimum wage, I reckon even 1% is going to be hard to let go. Personally, I'm doing 5% right now in average, going up to around 7% on times where I don't have much to pay (or bills are just THAT low). Just doing DCA so losses and whatnot aren't really something I'd mind that much or think about all that long. I'm ready to shoulder the loss even if it actually happens. I reckon for people who have a really low wage though then rather than percent, just a flat amount would do. It also doesn't have to be a monthly cycle.  It can happen in every 3 months, 5 months, etc., whatever pace their comfortable and can support imo.
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