How often do you check your mining setup, tips for staying relaxed

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stack51Hero Member
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#1Aug 18, 2023, 06:55 PM
I sometimes feel like I’m checking my gear and hashrate way too much. I mean, I log into my farm PC at least once or twice a day, but I’m peeking at the pool status no less than 10 times daily just to ensure everything's working smoothly. Even with notifications everywhere, I can’t help but check obsessively. So, how often do you guys check your rigs? What do you think is a normal frequency, and when do you think someone should see a therapist for this? Also, what tricks do you use to cut down on how often you check your pool app or website? Here’s what I’ve been doing (though it’s not really helping my constant anxiety): 1. I use local monitoring software that tracks hashrate and temperature, with email alerts sent to my phone. I get notified about overheating, offline gear, and hashrate dips. 2. I have a temp and humidity sensor that notifies me through an app. 3. I installed a phase monitoring relay that shuts down the entire farm if there’s under/over voltage or a phase failure. 4. There’s motion detection on my CCTVs to catch any break-ins. 5. I keep some Fireball extinguishers around, planning to grab more since summer’s coming. 6. I oversized all the wiring and electrical setup, keeping everything below 80% capacity. 7. I use a heat gun to check all wires, sockets, MCBs, Busbars, etc., whenever I visit the farm, just to ensure nothing’s overheating. 8. I do weekly check-ups on the transformer gauges to keep an eye on the oil level. 9. I shut everything down during storms and bad weather.
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#2Aug 19, 2023, 12:01 AM
Right now I don't have rig but back a year ago I have the same feel as you do, although is only a small miner and I run it in my other room not a "Farm" and Im using Miningrigrental to see whether my miner connect and running well because when sometimes goes wrong they will email me like drop of hahsrate too. I think Bitcoin pool nowadays can give an alert when something goes wrong, Just make sure the cable is nice and tidy
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its_ninjaSenior Member
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#3Aug 19, 2023, 12:23 AM
6 minutes Firstly, as I explain with statistics, on Help->Luck on my web site, if you check every minute you'll get false positives. If you check every 2 or more minutes, you'll get false positives about once every 450 years if you have 1000000 miners If you have fewer than 1000000 miners and checks longer than every 2 minutes you'll have even less false positives. However, the 6 minutes is a script I have permanently running that emails me and the datacentre, when a miner hasn't been mining for 5 minutes. If you have miners that fail a lot, that can be problematic, but mine rarely fail so it doesn't matter. The 6 minute check is pretty good also to allow miners to reconnect if there's a temporary outage/glitch/reboot and not complain about them. The thing to most take note of is that noone in a datacentre is ever going to run to your miner and coddle it back to life as soon as it fails. How long they take to do that would help deciding how often to check them. Obviously it doesn't hurt to have something check every 6 minutes, so that it lets you and them know pretty quickly.
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lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#4Aug 19, 2023, 02:17 AM
You will be spending too much to keep your mining farm on watch, I don't need a CCTV,  why would you? Unless you are living in a criminal world where people can burst into your place and steal your mining rigs, yes fire extinguisher always comes in handy, I almost burn down my home when I use a cheap socket extension for my mining rig, find a cooler spot or garage and use a monitoring app, Nicehash, and HiveOS have this, almost all other mining OS have monitoring features so it's nothing new. This is all you need, and do not travel to the next city when you plan to keep mining around the clock, Fire outbreak can happen at any time and even if you are monitoring and you are not very close, you will lose a lot before you get back to your farm, don't travel and mine Bitcoin.
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#5Aug 19, 2023, 07:38 AM
Most do, but I don't think it's a great idea to count on them 100%, better have other measures that go along side the pool notification. Indeed, in fact, most pools only have 10 mins hashrate report and above, the ones that report "current" hashrate are just way in accurate and will give you many false positives. Seems we are talking about two different things here, you are talking about home mining where you have a few rigs in the garage vs a mining farm which in 99.9% of the cases won't be anywhere near your garage, I have yet to see any mining farm or a datacenter /host that are not equipped with CCTVs, even the cheapest mining contains that ship from China come with CCTVs by default, it's not even an adds-on or anything like that, it comes with the walls, I am willing to as far as betting that at least 95% of mining farms have CCTVs because 95% of the mining farms are located in places where the people who own them don't sleep next door to them. Again confirms why we aren't talking about the same thing, but I agree if the setup is in your home and you are not following the code, it is probably very risky to leave your gears unwatched, in fact, it's risky to run them in the first place, but still, there is a huge difference between running a few gears at home vs a large farm in another city/country.
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#6Aug 19, 2023, 11:25 AM
We have a small commercial setup.  But we pull 160kwatts and have 110 pieces of gear. I have pc access to every unit. The warehouse has cameras . I can sometimes go 30 days without being at the warehouse. But I look every day at my pc's to see status of gear.
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its_ninjaSenior Member
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#7Aug 20, 2023, 09:05 PM
Yeah I don't use hash rate to decide - I use that as a warning. not as an alert. and aside, hash rate is just a calculation from shares. Time of/since last share is accurate to milliseconds on my pool, so if it says 300 seconds (5mins) since your last share to the pool, it has indeed been 300 seconds +/- a lot less than a second. For alerts, I'm looking for miners that stop mining and needing a restart, whereas if a board is failing, it'll start showing regular warnings of a lower hash rate (I think there's only been one that's done that so far)
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#8Aug 21, 2023, 01:53 AM
Ya having access to a PC that runs on the same LAN where miners are located is a must (unless you have your gears at a hosting company where they don't give you that access). Pretty much depends on what type of miner you use, with Whatsminer it's pretty rare to have permanent hashboard damage for new gears, the software isn't perfect in the tuning aspect tho, so it could tune with low hashrate and thus needs a reboot to fix it, so using a local-management software, in that case, is usually a must, with Antminer it's a bit different, it's common for a hashboard to lose hashrate and requires reboots, but it tunes a lot faster and gets to full speed in no time compared to Whatsminers. By the way, since you already have a script in place, is it also available for your pool users or just a personal thing? I think getting email notifications for lower than average hashrate for all pool users (if they want to set up) would be a good addition to any mining pool.
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#9Aug 22, 2023, 07:57 AM
This is a tip that I agree with 100%, it has given me so much peace and tranquility. It's well worth it! In our installation we also have CCTV and alarms, I can't imagine having so much investment in hardware and so much money at stake without a minimum of protection. For one of our places, we also have private security patrols but we pay the costs in a shared way with the neighbors, it costs a lot . But this one is in an area where it is justified and necessary. Otherwise I only look at the hashrate a little, I have alerts when a worker is offline for more than 10 minutes and that is enough for me. I can spend sometimes 2 weeks without going on site because we can do checks remotely. I monitor once a day if everything is fine, and then I rely on the alerts. I used Antminer-Monitor for a long time (https://github.com/anselal/antminer-monitor) but we have since switched to something cleaner. Where I feel like I look too much is my bestshares on the rigs that are mining solo, even though I know it's useless, I look at my bestshares at least 5 times a day
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#10Aug 22, 2023, 08:05 AM
I learned it the hard way to be honest, sometimes regardless of how you oversize your cables and tighten them, one or some of them might start to become a bit loose and leads to overheating and eventually even fire, so checking that nothing is warmer than usual gives me a truckload of piece of mind. Ya, I would imagine something like that should cost a lot regardless of which country that setup might be. I use AwesomeMiner, it's owned by a fellow bitcointalk member.
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its_ninjaSenior Member
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#11Aug 22, 2023, 12:52 PM
Nah it's not a simple issue to be sending emails to lots of people regularly - your mail servers get flagged as spammers very fast. It is 'almost' at the point where if someone with a sizeable hash rate wanted me to trial it with them I'd consider it. But haven't done much coding for a few months for known reasons.
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#12Aug 22, 2023, 04:15 PM
You can let them use their own mail servers, anyone with a Gmail account can get mail server info, this is how some software work. However, almost all pools i used still send out notfications via emai from their own mail server, not sure how they avoid getting flagged, I assume they use a dozen different mail servers.
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#13Aug 24, 2023, 10:06 AM
They aren't getting flagged because they are fully "Can Spam Act of 2003" compliant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003 and most enterprise level organizations have configured DKIM, DMARC and SPF records to match and confirm the identity of their email server(s) and ip addresses.  You can test your email server(s) configuration and conformity here: https://easydmarc.com/tools/ .   I check in at least a few times a day to see how the "kids" are doing. Email alerts have also been configured so that if a unit goes offline or isn't hashing up to a specific rate then the miner is sent an automated reboot.
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#14Aug 24, 2023, 02:04 PM
I still doubt it's something easy to do, given that some multi-billion dollar companies like Hikvision with 12B in revenue last year alone still don't use their own mail server for all types of alerts coming from all the different DVRs, NVRs, and Cameras they sell, you still need to set up your own mail server to get notifications. Lol, that's what my wife calls them whenever I check and she sees me busy looking at my phone/laptop.
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#15Aug 24, 2023, 07:43 PM
Since my miners are spread far and wide I just rely on the pools to email me when one drops off. Probably not the best way, by all my miners are old and paid for and the power is a fixed cost to a certain point so it's all profit. Back in the day it was different but now, it's more of a good enough so long as most are OK theory. If one of my S9 is down for a full day it's only going to be $1 in lost profit. The L3+ units only generate about $1.25 a day. Not worth stressing about. -Dave
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#16Aug 25, 2023, 12:03 AM
Yeah I would prefer to have five or ten miners a dirt cheap power and left them run til they die. I have more gear than I want to work with. A long ride to check on the gear when it goes down. It was manageable until Covid hit.. Wife has some permanent lung damage we still do not know if it will slowly get worse or become stable. My diabetes is just a bit out of control. And my bro-in-law is suffering from dementia. Lives  💯 maybe 125 kilometers 75 miles. So those three real world things are very likely to force me out of active mining ⛏️ It would be nice to be 33 and just have a single s19.
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colddiamondHero Member
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#17Aug 25, 2023, 04:55 AM
Ouch, that is a lot of stuff to have going on. I would pass on the s19 and just take being 33 again. Hurt my knee a couple of weeks ago and I'm still limping.... I know this might be blasphemy but can you cut down on the hardware and shrink the farm(s) a bit so it's less stress / work? No point in killing yourself for it, if you can't enjoy it. If you don't need the money so long as you are not loosing money less stress is good. -Dave
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#18Aug 25, 2023, 06:06 AM
I know Phill loves mining, so why not do the opposite of that? bring in more gear, and make it worth it to hire someone to do the periodical check-ups, it doesn't have to be a salary, it could be paid per visit, or a percentage of income, I don't think it's impossible to find someone who is young, willing to learn a thing or two about maintaining a mining farm, lives nearby, and can be trusted. It takes on average no more than half an hour a day, I'd say 3 hours a week is the average, a farm with 5ph makes roughly $350 a day, so even if that person asked for 100$/hr, it's just a matter of 3 something days worth of mining, I don't know about wages in the state where Phil's farm is located, but I highly doubt 100$, it will be on average 1 drive per week, any time of the day, 3 hours, reboot a device or two, change 2 fans, dust off a PSU and go home. Ya, the same guy needs to ship a miner to another state for warranty repair and call the electric guy to come to fix something. Still, the work they will do doesn't require any special skills, so if I had to look for a guy like that,  trust and desire for work would be the only things I would look for.
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its_ninjaSenior Member
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#19Aug 25, 2023, 05:54 PM
I don't send spam - it's simple. However, as soon as someone has the option to get a lot of email ... 'notifications' ... there will be some who will purposely flag those messages ... coz the internet has plenty of assholes who like doing this
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