How to Spend Bitcoins Privately Without Getting Burned

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#1Nov 6, 2018, 04:12 AM
So, if you've got some BTC from a public address that people know about (like if you shared it on a site years ago and now it’s worth a ton), how do you spend it without risking your privacy? If you send coins from that address, people can easily look it up online and find out it’s linked to you. This means they know you’ve got 1 BTC and some personal info connected to it, which isn't ideal. Sure, you could move it around to different addresses, but that doesn’t really hide it enough to call it private. I get that mixers are an option, but they've really gotten a bad rap lately, and it feels like a gamble. You could end up with coins that have a bad history, and if someone receives those and then uses an exchange, they might get into trouble because of the transaction trail that leads back to you. That's also not cool. So, what’s the game plan for spending these coins without risking your privacy? Is it possible to use mixers and then send the coins to a kind of aggregator that cleans them up before they come back to you? Honestly, I’m stumped. Can anyone share some practical strategies? I really hate how tough it is to spend BTC without jumping into some risky situation while trying to stay private. And please, don’t hit me with those unrealistic claims about "tainted coins not existing" that’s just not the reality when you or someone you’ve paid tries to use those coins.
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#2Nov 6, 2018, 04:20 AM
If you receive the payment from a legit website you shouldn’t have any problem with selling those bitcoin in any centralized exchange at least to the best of my knowledge, and if you are also afraid of using mixer to split the coin and keep it on different addresses maybe the one for spending so that anyone you send coin to for payment don’t link it to your wallet seeing the volume you hold you could also use Bisq which is a decentralized exchange easy to use, or better still you can try out Trêvoid swap service this are two privacy exchange option I can think of. And you don’t have to swap all 1btc at once’s you can go in little numbers until you swap them all.
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#3Nov 6, 2018, 04:31 AM
There are many ways which you can avoid trouble when spending your BTC. Firstly get a wallet which doesn't have access to your identity, I think the best wallet to use base on my knowledge are Sparrow Wallet and Electrum. Try avoid wallet that request for your identity like email or your mobile number. Do not use exchange that request for your kYC. I think with this you are good to go.
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alexaltFull Member
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#4Nov 7, 2018, 01:25 AM
You can use coinjoin service to send coins to whomever, you want without revealing your address, Sparrow wallet has coinjoin. If it's an exchange, don't use centralized exchange, use decentralized exchange. After sending your bitcoin to Dex, you can convert it to monero and send it through 3-4 different Dex before converting it back to bitcoin and send it to your wallet or to your final bitcoin address.
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#5Nov 7, 2018, 06:37 AM
If you have all your Bitcoin in just one address, then this is indeed the problem you're facing. As a long-term slightly more private solution, it's better to have different wallets for different purposes. Assuming you're not trying to hide from taxes, even a centralized exchange can help break the link between your old funds and your current spending.
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cryptobridgeSenior Member
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#6Nov 7, 2018, 06:51 AM
You want to know how useless centralized exchanges are? Until you becomes a victim of the monsters behind them. You can 100% have a legit coin and you will be asked to proved it, not for for anything but for curiosity, only centralized exchanges are capable of doing it. @shinosuke This is what you should do. I was going through a blog from bisq and I found out they respect privacy. At some points they wanted to implement coinjoin to improve users privacy but they didn't perhaps due to some reasons. https://bisq.network/blog/privacy-in-bitsquare/ Use jointmarket to improve to your privacy then send it to Bisq exchange to sell, don't use any centralized swap or exchanges.
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bear_maxiSenior Member
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#7Nov 7, 2018, 07:49 AM
Every address is public , you will always receive Bitcoin on an address that can be traced  but no one knows the identity.behind it  unless you already  declared the address somehow with your  real identity and it seems that's what you meant by public.. You can use coinjoin (it's thepopularanswer you willget here), after which you can send it to whoever you want or swap using a DEX. Using a Cex could give you issues after doing this because the transaction source becomes hard to trace so they might flag it and opt you into an unending advanced kyc  request, trust me you don't  want  to get caught up in hat.
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#8Nov 9, 2018, 08:37 AM
I forgot that those centralized exchanges operate no differently from the way the government also does they don’t actually need any reason to freeze your coin they will just make one and force you to provide the information you will know it’s impossible to convince them it’s actually real. And what means do you propose the Op use in converting the bitcoin into privacy coins? If it’s still from few centralized exchange that still accommodate privacy coin that will be a no area if you ask me because their is nothing like privacy when it comes to centralized exchange they will always bookmark which address you send the coin to after conversion, the best option the op have here is either I use coinjoin as already suggested or go with the popular No KYC exchange we know about in this forum.
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#9Nov 9, 2018, 08:54 AM
You can exchange BTC directly for Monero on bisq, with zero KYC
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viper_satMember
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#10Nov 9, 2018, 12:26 PM
Spend from that address safely? I think you have a few choices. 1- hit a mixer and anonymize your coins again (a crypto exchange might work too) 2- send it to an exchange, convert to fiat > spend 3- go full anonymous, buy monero (xmr) on bisq However, none of these solutions solve one fundamental problem. They already know you are rich. Unless you come up with a boating accident story, you’ll only be moving coins from one place to another.
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paul.stakeHero Member
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#11Nov 11, 2018, 05:47 AM
You can try coinjoin using Wasabi Wallet. That would break your bitcoin to several less-valuable outputs that could be deposited to an exchange. If you're afraid of them being labeled 'tainted' then you can use a variety of peer-to-peer exchanges like Peach, Bisq or HodlHodl. If you're concerned about the effectiveness of coinjoins, you can also swap BTC for a privacy-oriented crypto like XMR or ZEC and sell that; that would also break the connection. Next time be aware and use coin control.
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hodler2019Legendary
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#12Nov 11, 2018, 08:22 AM
Make 10 new wallets put 0.05 into  one. And put .95 into one of the other 9 wallets And then cash the 0.05 see how it works out. If it is all good. Send 0.05 Into one of the empty wallets put 0.90 into another empty wallet Cash the 0.05 Wait a while decide next move. No one is sure that the larger wallet is yours. They only know the 0.05 btc wallets are yours.
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yield_forkFull Member
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#13Nov 11, 2018, 09:09 AM
The first step to having relative privacy with Bitcoin is always receiving coins at a new address. Are you doing this? Secondly, you can use software that has Coinjoin like wasabi wallet (you have to set up a coordinator manually, just google it.). After that, you might also want to swap to privacy coins like XMR, trade for stablecoins (stablecoins like USDT don't usually have marked coins), and then swap back to BTC. There're 1001 ways countless ways to achieve greater privacy with BTC. You can check the AML score of your coins using AML checkers and evaluate whether you should take the next steps based on the score of your UTXOs.
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SilentVectorFull Member
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#14Nov 11, 2018, 11:38 AM
This is the primary knowledge that I have read severally but I haven't been able to do it either because I'm not privacy oriented but from my new life now privacy with bitcoin will step in. Basically what I have read is "never reuse an address" but even after practicing that I still don't feel like it's not going to be the end of it, instead of doing so much job with bitcoin why not just buy Monero ? what do you think?
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yield_forkFull Member
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#15Nov 11, 2018, 05:27 PM
Monero is good for those who want more privacy, but it doesn't have the same stability and acceptance as Bitcoin. If you want to avoid CEX and trade on DEXs like BISQ, Monero can be good. Monero didn't fall as much compared to Bitcoin in its recent correction, but make your decisions cautiously. Monero is a good coin, but it has been heavily targeted and notoriously rejected by CEXs due to pressure from governments worldwide. It's best to be careful and use it within the limits of the law to avoid problems. If you have sufficient funds, consider legal advice (preferably Bitcoin-friendly) to obtain more privacy within the legal limits of your country.
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sat_2011Full Member
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#16Nov 11, 2018, 06:11 PM
Since you don't want to use Crypto Tumbler so you won't end up with tint coin. The best thing you can do is use a BTC p2p exchange that supports the trading of BTC into privacy coins like XMR. Split the BTC, trade on the P2P exchange, send to CEX, trade the privacy coin for BTC, and move the BTC to your main wallet. That's the only concept I could suggest.
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humbleledgerLegendary
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#17Nov 11, 2018, 06:55 PM
This doesn't address OPs concern, it just changes the "someone" to someone else:
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diamond_atlasSenior Member
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#18Nov 11, 2018, 09:03 PM
It is big problem if you have very small bitcoin fund like 0.001 BTC or 0.01 BTC but it is no longer problem with 1 BTC fund like your example. As with 1 BTC fund, you can send that coin to different wallets, addresses and use these smaller splitted UTXOs for your payments later. As your main concern is privacy, don't send round numbers in your UTXOs for splitting the original 1 BTC to different wallets. I would like to do this more than using Coinjoin or Mixers services. General guidelines for sending BTC transactions. Bitcoin privacy guide. Protect your privacy. Bitcoin Q&A: Blacklists, Taint, and Wallet Fingerprinting.
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fullnodeSenior Member
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#19Nov 11, 2018, 10:50 PM
The most simple and straightforward way of gaining privacy without losing custody is using Wasabi. However, this might give you the same problem as using a mixer, where your coins might be considered tainted by some services. This could be achieved by sending mixed UTXOs individually into the Liquid sidechain through SideSwap’s peg-in feature. A while later you can do a peg-out transaction, where you will get coins that have no connection to your deposit and won’t be flagged as being from a coinjoin.
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yield_forkFull Member
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#20Nov 12, 2018, 04:50 AM
It's a great solution, that's what I'm saying. If it's a large amount of funds, it might make sense to use a mixer or coinjoin via some Wasabi coordinator, and after choosing one of those two options, swap BTC mainnet for L-BTC (Bitcoin liquid, stablecoins) through SideSwap and then do a peg it out to BTC mainnet again. SideSwap doesn't freeze users' funds as far as I know, right? Because it's a self-custody wallet.
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