Is Bitcoin harming the environment or is it just a political story?

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the_deltaFull Member
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#1Dec 3, 2018, 06:34 PM
Whenever Bitcoin comes up, the same old line pops up Bitcoin mining is wrecking the planet. This idea has been thrown around so much that people seem to forget to dig deeper. Instead of questioning the validity of this statement, they never think to ask: How much electricity is actually used in Bitcoin mining, what’s the source of that energy, and what resources are tied to this supposed waste? Looking at some info shared by Bitcoin News on X, it turns out that in Bitcoin mining . 61.5% of the Bitcoin mining operations rely on over 98% sustainable energy. . A significant portion of this process takes stranded methane that would otherwise be released into the atmosphere and uses it. . Only about 6.4% of mining relies solely on fossil fuels. This raises an interesting question . Why isn’t there a breakdown of energy usage for banking systems, military operations, data centers, or gold mining? . Why does Bitcoin get singled out as the environmental bad guy? Another less comfortable fact is that Bitcoin mining is sensitive to market prices, can happen anywhere, and can be adjusted easily. That means: . Bitcoin transforms energy into wealth. . It makes renewable sources like wind and solar more profitable. . It aids in keeping the power grid stable. Sure, Bitcoin isn’t flawless, but labeling it as an environmental destroyer is just plain misleading. The real question is: Are we genuinely worried about the planet, or are we just going after a system that’s out of our control?
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mr_hodlerNewbie
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#2Dec 3, 2018, 08:20 PM
The whole bitcoin and environment argument can be so confusing to me as I see many individuals condemning bitcoin to be bad for the environment without really explaining clearly how they arrived at such conclusions. But I know if most of these peoples that are talking are to look a bit deeply into the bitcoin mining , they will identify that it is not all the energy that comes from the mining that is completely dirty energy as a good number of miners actually use renewable energy or reuse energy meant to be wasted such as excess power generated or gas that would have been sent into the air. I am also surprised that people put a lot of their efforts and energy on blaming bitcoin alone overlooking the other industries that use a lot of energy an you begin to wonder if the fear is really only about the environment or a fear of something new that the people do not fully understand or cannot control
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node_vectorHero Member
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#3Dec 3, 2018, 09:32 PM
The decentralization of Bitcoin made it a villain to the political class. If they can't control they have to discourage people and make it seem like environmental pollution.
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zero_hashNewbie
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#4Dec 6, 2018, 02:11 AM
This isn't new. Bitcoin critics always pick one or two talking points and blow them out of proportion. They really should move on Bitcoin doesn't have to prove itself to them anymore. Because they don't see Bitcoin’s value, they scrutinize every bit of energy it uses, yet they ignore the massive footprint of the banking system because they consider it essential. The truth is that Bitcoin acts as a unique energy management tool that traditional industries simply cannot replicate. They think we don’t see the double standard, but we aren’t stupid
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cipherhubSenior Member
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#5Dec 7, 2018, 03:10 PM
Actually, Bitcoin is not responsible for destroying the environment. If Bitcoin disappeared tomorrow, we would continue to deal with climate change and other threats against the well being of humanity. So Bitcoin is not responsible for the whatever could happen to the environment within next decades. If people wanted to help against climate change then they would switch their gas vehicles for electric vehicles and also push their politicians to adopt renewable energy instead of burning coal and natural gas. It is rather a very weak argument against Bitcoin, because it is obvious Bitcoin is not the main source of carbon dioxide emissions to the atmosphere.
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#6Dec 7, 2018, 06:04 PM
I don't think that bitcoin will destroy the environment or even responsible for destroying the environment. Bitcoin mining even used to heat water or even as heating a room while mining. I think it's clearly some kind of attack on bitcoin and they didn't even mention other matters that uses a lot of energy that can really destroy the environment. One more thing, some Bitcoin miners uses solar energy to provide electricity for the mining rig so some of the energy came from solar and also make profit from electric company if I am not mistaken.
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neon_foxMember
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#7Dec 9, 2018, 04:52 AM
A lot of curious people have already asked this question before and I think that it's all the same answer, it doesn't. There have been studies and proofs that it's bitcoin isn't the problem, I mean what can you do if your country relies on really bad fossil fuel as a source of electricity, not mine bitcoin? Maybe it is a political propaganda but bitcoin doesn't have any political leaning, it's created as a way to free the masses from the financial institutions that profits by keeping them trapped.
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moonz429Newbie
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#8Dec 9, 2018, 11:07 AM
They were only spreading the FUD in the early days of bitcoin. I read that there's a new water heater that can be used to mine bitcoin produced by Super heat called Super heat H1. There's a bitcoin mining rig and 50 gallon of water that the heat is used to heat the water. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cryptomining/bitcoin-mining-water-heater-firm-says-its-usd2-000-product-can-rake-back-usd1-000-a-year-in-btc-and-claims-it-can-offset-up-to-80-percent-of-electricity-and-water-costs
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bull843Full Member
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#9Dec 9, 2018, 04:53 PM
Why would they show or compare Bitcoin with other ecosystems or industries when their goal is to make Bitcoin look bad? It's a simple thing that we need to understand, Bitcoin isn't liked by institutions and authorities, or even the governments, at least not most of them, actually like it because they know that Bitcoin promotes and allows financial anonymity or privacy, and they don't want that, they want transparency with everything we do and own, including our finances and financial activities, so that they can either allow or disallow us to do certain things whenever they deem fit. I remember the early days when I first came to know about Bitcoin, I wasn't a part of any forums or anything at that time, but I used to surf around the internet and read about Bitcoin, and I have read so many articles and news where Bitcoin was called a bubble, and that it's a scam or a HYIP that will run away with the funds of people, everyone was creating a story of their own at that time, and it was all so that they can drag it down and don't let it become successful but their attempts went in vein because they couldn't stop Bitcoin from reaching where it is today.
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#10Dec 9, 2018, 10:56 PM
That's true. It's clearly to make Bitcoin look bad to many people and even the government and I think it could also be for political reasons. I think they will find something to makr Bitcoin look bad if they are don't have something against the use of mining rig to heat water. When I start to know about bitcoin is that there are various articles on the internet about bitcoin saying it's not good like it is used gor illegal activities such as money laundering so I think it's another way to make it look bad.
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foxpro620Newbie
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#11Dec 10, 2018, 04:08 AM
This is just propaganda that some enemies of Bitcoin is trying to put forth because, the issue of climate change has been one issue that has been going on for decades and different countries has been paying lip service to this issue. Promises that has not been fulfilled and sustain has been the order of the day. Before anyone should cast stones on Bitcoin as been part of destroying the global climate these critical questions should be asked why has the world not taken a firm stand as it comes to crude oil production and refining because that is the major cause of global climate change in the world.
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keyproNewbie
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#12Dec 10, 2018, 06:58 AM
Don't fall for the propaganda that is purposely developed to discredit Bitcoin. This issue is always exaggerated to make people think that Bitcoin has a bad impact on the environment, though on the other hand we see that Bitcoin mining is now more environmentally friendly and more efficient, and more miners are even using the electricity network from renewable resources, this shows the commitment of miners to improve and continue to adapt for long-term sustainability. Just compare it with the banking system, offices, banks and various other industries, it even uses much more energy and doesn't even care about its long-term environmental impact. Bitcoin is even much better in this regard.
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pixelz747Member
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#13Dec 10, 2018, 01:03 PM
Basic propaganda anti-bitcoiners find and point fingers to. Even if we supposedly claim that it's true; Bitcoin does consume a lot of energy, it's literally a drop in the ocean compared to what major industries consume, especially in third world countries (car industries, clothing etc., you name it). Yet, Bitcoin is the one that's on the spotlight for its energy consumption, how ironic. Great find, even if the initial claims had a tiny bit of truth in them, this photo debunks all theories showing that the majority of mining operations are in-fact, from renewable or sustainable energy sources.
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#14Dec 10, 2018, 05:21 PM
It's political propaganda. Generally, anything labeled as "destroying the environment" apart from genocide and wars is political propaganda, especially when the "journal" is fiat funded. Bitcoin is the best chance for the environment to fix itself, because the biggest environmental problem to the world is fiat with all the wars and waste it inevitably comes with, and bitcoin is the only alternative to this central banking slavery system.
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#15Dec 10, 2018, 08:53 PM
Talking about the environment should be seen broadly and how many gold, coal and other mining companies contribute to environmental damage, yet they are never considered to blame. My area is a gold producer and our environment is currently heavily polluted because gold miners use mercury and cyanide. The impacts can be far more widespread, such as soil erosion, water pollution, and the health of surrounding communities. Compared to Bitcoin mining, the environmental damage may be far greater as in the example I mentioned above. However, the media overestimates Bitcoin miners, making it seem like they are destroying the environment, even though the companies operating in the sectors I mentioned above are far worse because they directly impact the environment and humans.
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zerolabNewbie
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#16Dec 11, 2018, 02:14 AM
This is basically political propaganda narrated by groups who are not happy with bitcoin, because it has always been said that bitcoin mining has a significant impact on the environment, but they turn a blind eye to the fact that other industries use so many resources and produce more pollution, and they don't say that they are also responsible for the environmental impact. those who spread FUD about Bitcoin mining having an impact on the environment have no more than an interest in maintaining old infrastructure that is far more wasteful and opaque, like banking, which is far more damaging.
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#17Dec 11, 2018, 03:48 AM
Ignore the Chinese low quality products.  Ignore the fast fashion, clothing that becomes rags after days of wear.  Ignore the polluting industries.  Ignore how much waste is poured into rivers and oceans.  Ignore how much the environment must be affected in order to produce an electric car.  Ignore the products that slip untested in the Markets of all countries only to be found carcinogenic years after being sold.  Ignore the way multi billion Dollar companies burned old clothing collections or threw them in the middle of no where and let them destroy the environment.  Ignore how many celebrities are using private jets every day to go to Europe just to eat some cheese cake.  Ignore how much the environment is damaged by bomb testing, by every significant sports events.  Ignore the disposable vaping products thrown away on the ground after the last puff. Ignore it all. The problem is Bitcoin.
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#18Dec 11, 2018, 04:24 AM
Bitcoin destroying the environment is just political propaganda.  This is used by groups that want to discredit Bitcoin or possibly to drive down its price for them to snatch Bitcoin at a lower price.  All they give are just speculation, but looking at the statistics simply shows that Bitcoin mining consumes way lower than any other industry. These statements are just overstatements, and if we look at those articles telling Bitcoin is destroying the environment with carbon dioxide emissions are just words without any factual or statistical support.
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#19Dec 11, 2018, 06:12 AM
One thing that often gets missed in these debates is that energy consumption is never judged in isolation, only politically. We don’t ask whether banking, defense, streaming platforms or gold mining “deserve” their energy use. We ask whether society finds the output valuable enough. Bitcoin’s energy use is visible, measurable and permissionless, which makes it an easy target. But visibility isn’t the same as waste. The more interesting question isn’t “does Bitcoin use energy?” but “what kinds of energy does it make economically viable?” When an activity is location-agnostic, interruptible and price-sensitive, it naturally gravitates toward surplus and stranded energy. That property is rare and it’s worth discussing honestly, without moral framing.
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#20Dec 13, 2018, 04:41 PM
Have you noticed that since some governments and public figures began showing some support for bitcoin, most of those exaggerated environmental criticisms have slowly lost their relevance. This is convincing enough that they were really targeted at bitcoin to destroy it and truthfully create FUD among the adopters of bitcoin. Technology is evolving and everything about bitcoin is evolving as well. The issue of Bitcoin polluting the environment is no longer a thing we should be bothered about, they were all one-sided propaganda.
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