I really don't know what to make of this anymore. Here we are in 2026, two years post-halving, and BTC is just stuck, bouncing between 72k and 78k. No excitement, no wild price swings. It's like watching paint dry, honestly. Did the whole Wall Street ETF thing just kill any volatility we had? I thought we'd be blasting off by now, but instead, we're in this snooze-fest. I'm still hoping for that 120k target, but I gotta admit, I'm losing my patience with this sideways action. What are you guys up to? Buying down here, or do you think we’ll tank to 60k first? I'm just sitting tight, it feels like a setup for something bad. Any veterans still around? Please tell me I'm not losing it thinking this cycle is just off.
is the BTC 4-year cycle dead or what
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sam_walletFull Member
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#2May 2, 2024, 10:50 PM
This may be the proper dip giving now much Bitcoin has grown over the years. We have seen that with each halving the rate of the dip reduces with less people selling off to take profits or cut losses. From the peak of few months ago, we have lost about 50% of the total value, this may be the dip of the current cycle.
We would be entering a super cycle for that to happen this year.
QuantumYieldSenior Member
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#3May 3, 2024, 12:55 AM
Seriously by posting this, you shown you did not understand about Bitcoin four-year cycle.
One year after a Bitcoin halving, Bitcoin has a bull run and makes its new ATH, it's similar in previous cycles, except this one when Bitcoin made its new all time high even before the halving. One year after halving is 2025, so the year 2026 according to past cycle pattern should be a bearish year. 2026 and 2027 should be bearish years if the cycle works like past ones.
There are volatile times but hype is not expected to happen in a bear market.
If you are interested in learning about Bitcoin market cycle, try with Bitcoin price history, ATHs and bottoms.
What you posted before was completely different from this, why did you change the topic subject and the topic? What if someone was about to reply before and later saw a different speculation post.
Bull run began in 2023 to 2025, you should know that the last year in the 4 year cycle in the past are always bear markets. In this cycle it is 2026 that should be the bear market.
2027 to 2029 will also be the bull run.
Does bitcoin now move on hypes? And please the etf did nothing to BTC we are just in a range market..The cycle is not dead, you just haven't experienced how it works. It seems slow but at least there's progress.just like other users have said this year is a normal bearish year in the bitcoin cycle, judging from past price actions. Though it seems to be pushing a bit higher but it's not yet in a bull season. I'm still expecting a final dump before price would seek to the up side. And remember everything we do is speculate what price is going to do next plus you ought to be patient in all you do..
This happened only twice once in history: 2013 and 2017.
(Edited: the time to ATH in 2013 and 2021 was 6 months or less, and only in 2017 it approximated a year with 10 months.)
So the evidence for this "rule" is very thin.
2013 there were indeed good reasons for an ATH after halving: That was the year when CPU and GPU mining got mostly unprofitable, and the halving was the death blow for "home mining" in many cases. Before 2012 a lot of people who wanted Bitcoin could still mine them with their computer. But in 2013 quite fast the difficulty went so high that you needed either very good GPUs or ASICs. So from this moment on, most people who wanted BTC had to buy them.
This mechanism however does not work anymore, because miners aren't retailers anymore but specialized companies, with very few exceptions. Thus nearly everybody who wants Bitcoins today has to buy them, but that is completely decoupled from halvings. And miners anyway (as I will not cease to repeat) only deliver about 0.1% of the daily supply of BTC on the markets.
yeah, u make a good point about the diminishing volatility. its definitely not like 2013 or 2017 anymore. i guess im just so used to the old "moon or doom" swings that this current slow grind feels like a trap lol.
a super cycle would be insane but with all this institutional money from ETFs, maybe the old 4-year rules r really being rewritten right in front of us. i hope this $70k area is indeed the "proper dip" before the next leg up. i guess patience is the only play here.
If you did believe in the cycle, aren't you expecting to hold for about three more years though? And weren't you expecting sideways crap after an ATH?
OP quite literally asking for anything but a "normal" cycle
Don't you think your statement here is a bit too exaggerated? Firstly, the impression of hype should be wiped out completely because Bitcoin is not an altcoin that rides on hype; even without the hype, it is still moving. About Bitcoin having zero volatility this season, that again is exaggerated. The price of Bitcoin may not be moving as you want it to, but it hasn't been stagnant either.
Volatility isn't dead; however, it seems more controlled now compared to the past. Institutional investors have played a role here, together with the trust people now have in Bitcoin, which has prompted many to HODL for the long term instead of panic selling during dips. Its more like we now have fewer weak hands.
How about 2021? During the third Bitcoin halving which took place in 2020, Bitcoin price as at then was $8.6k but the all time high for that year was $29k meanwhile a year after the halving (2021), Bitcoin reached $69k, does that not mean it's the third time in history?
Maybe I'm missing something, that's why I'm asking for a clarity here sir.
There are different opinions regarding Bitcoin's four-year cycle. 🙋
For example, a good friend of mine believes that Bitcoin's four-year cycles are a myth. He believes that the halving doesn't affect Bitcoin's price because it's widely known. Therefore, it's already priced in.
I've also heard that Bitcoin's four-year cycles exist, but they're related to the US presidential election, not the halving. 🙋
Furthermore, I remember reading on Forklog in the fall of 2024 that Bitcoin's four-year cycles were over and the next bear market would last seven years (though, frankly, I don't want that scenario to come true).
In my opinion, four-year cycles have existed and will continue to exist. They are based on the halving. The halving is a sudden doubling of the cost of mining Bitcoin. Since miners are businessmen, they require Bitcoin's price to rise periodically. Otherwise, they won't be able to maintain the Bitcoin network's security. Is it any surprise that merchants don't usually sell goods below cost? The same applies here!
This point gets ignored way too much. The halving narrative was always built on the assumption that miner selling pressure drives the cycle, but if miners are only responsible for 0.1% of daily supply, then cutting that in half means almost nothing to price in practical terms.
The real driver these days is just macro sentiment and institutional flows. ETF money moves based on interest rates, risk appetite, quarterly rebalancing, none of that cares about halving dates.
So yeah the 4 year cycle as people romantically describe it was always a thin argument. Small sample size, completely different market each time, and now a totally different class of buyers. OP waiting for the old style moon mission is probably waiting for something that won't come back in that form.
sam_walletFull Member
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#13May 6, 2024, 06:11 PM
You may be giving too much credit to institutional investments. It's a plus to have seasoned investor groups that I ill not easily buckle under price pressure, but many retail investors have become wiser with each circle. The more familiar you get what rh an asset and more you trust it, the easier it is for you to hold it through price drops and yo buy back when the price drops.
I don't think we are done with the regular 4 year cycle, at least not yet. The halving will still have a significant impact on price action one who h will need a correction after the price goes up.
What exactly are you talking about? This is usually the time for a bitcoin bear market. It seems you need to take your time and study Bitcoin's price history. Ordinarily, we should expect the market to become bullish by the end of next year, if we are lucky. I don't understand why you are expecting a bull season right now.
And how do you see how Bitcoin has been moving for the past quarter, and say there is no volatility? If your definition of volitility is only when the price is skyrocketing then you don't understand what volitile means.
Stop being delusional and start being realistic. The upside growth can not and will not go on forever. If it ever will, that is actually a BAD sign.
I wonder how do you people talk about the 4 year cycle not being real any more while the cycle is actually still happening like before. What the hell did you even see in the previous 4 year cycle? Or the one before that? Because I have been around Bitcoin for way longer than one cycle and I do not remember any where Bitcoin grew continuously and in an constantly explosive way. Go through any monthly chart of any previous Bitcoin cycle, you will find many 'sideway' months.
What I meant in that post was the assumption that roughly 1 year after the halving a new ATH was reached - that happened only in 2017 (in reality it was ~10 months, the ATH was in April 2017, and the halving in June 2016).
In 2021 the distance was 6 months (May to November). And where I actually was wrong was about 2012/13, there the distance was also about 3 months actually
That in all three cases we saw a bull market with new ATHs "some months after the halving" is true, but the bull market was already in place before and the distance to the ATH was different in all three cases - this was even already true in 2012 where the bull started near the beginning of the year, or even in the last days of 2011 (I don't remember the exact day).
In the distance of the halving to the "cycle end" (3 year+ high) there is more regularity in the recent "cycles" but here the first halving is an outlier:
2012: Halving November - cycle end: November 2013 (12 months)
2016: Halving June - cycle end: December 2017 (17 months)
2020: Halving May - cycle end: November 2021 (18 months)
2024: Halving April - cycle end (presumed): October 2025: (18 months)
Nevertheless all cycles, as regular as at least this fact seems, had enormous differences. For example the 2019 bull was very strong and missed a pre-halving ATH by a few more FOMO bullish days. I am very fond of considering that movement ($3000 -> $14000 -> $4000) as a bull/bear cycle on its own than as simply a part of the 2018-22 cycle. Same with the two different spikes in 2013 ($250 -> $50 -> $1200).
People end up selling because of that kind of mindset. Bitcoin doesn't just pump on a fixed 23 year schedule after the halvin, there are bigger factors at play, especially the global situation and overall market conditions.
History can give hints, but it doesn't repeat itself perfectly. At the end of the day, it' a free market, anything can happen. The best approach is to stay patient and not let short term emotions dictate your decisions.
Investment or trading in short term or even in one market cycle is hard and even it is investment, it's still very challenging if people only want to buy bitcoin and and hold it like 2 or 3 years for taking profit. It's challenging because it depends on the time they enter the market, like if their entry time is around bear market completion and a start of a new market cycle from bottom recovery, it's good and easy to have profit by holding their coins 2 or 3 years. However, if their entry time is during a bull run, especially if it is around ATH time, holding 2 or 3 years means they will be in a next bear market.
So if they want to have surely profit from investment, they have to build up their investment plan for at least two market cycles, and because Bitcoin always makes new ATHs in a new market cycle, holding bitcoins in two market cycles surely will bring profit no matter which entry prices they began with.
quantumninjaFull Member
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#19May 7, 2024, 06:38 AM
If the crypto industry is changing, then it is reasonable to assume that the 4-year cycles are changing and becoming more "flexible" than what we are used to seeing.
What's there to think about? It would be too simple if everything remained unchanged and any "fool" could predict market movements based on a 4-year cycle.
Crypto market has undergone significant changes in recent years: not only small investors, but also institutional clients and even country-level investors have long been playing here. Under these conditions, the "rules of the game" are invariably changing. I believe the bitcoin adapts to market changes, and therefore, the 4-year cycles are also subject to change.
Capitalization has increased, which means more money is now needed to be able to influence rate fluctuations.
What makes you think there should be growth? According to 4-year cycles, we should be experiencing a recession, not growth.
I'm more prepared to see a drop to $60k. or lower than $120k., as this market is about to enter a bearish phase. Eternal growth is impossible.
I think it's time to get used to the "oddities" of cycles, as the market can't remain monotonous.
I think this is key.
Thats right; just as, based on Bitcoins short history, weve come to believe that an all-time high (ATH) must occur after the halvingsay, between 3 and 18 months laterif this cycle and the two following ones were to see the cycles ATH in year 4, just before the next halving, wed have to revise that theory.
But putting that aside, I think the OPs sentiment reflects what weve discussed in other threads, namely that volatility seems to have decreased on the upside but not on the downside, and obviously, none of us likes that.