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roguekingMember
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#1Sep 2, 2024, 02:16 AM
You know how it is, when you spot risks from a distance, you gotta act fast to deal with them before they get closer. To actually make a profit in the crypto world, relying on stable coins is pretty much essential. Like, if I sold my Bitcoin for 120k and intend to repurchase it at 50k (not financial advice here!), I’d keep my money in a stable coin in case some crazy opportunity pops up. But here's the problem: while you're chilling on your profits, waiting for that perfect moment, you might wake up one day to find your stable coin has frozen... how many folks are thinking about that? We keep saying we want to break free from total government control and centralized entities, right? Right now, there are tons of stable coins out there, but only a few actually have significant market capitalization and active users, like USDt, USDc, PYUSD, and some newbies in the game. For those of us who value privacy, we’re kind of stuck with very limited options when it comes to stable coins (like DAI). Seriously, how are we not already in a bind? People who care about their privacy are left to fend for themselves, like the whole system is against us. So, for my fellow privacy advocates, how do you handle things when it’s time to cash out and hold onto those profits for a bit? Do you swap back to fiat or what? Or do you just stay in DAI?
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alex.shardLegendary
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#2Sep 2, 2024, 05:45 AM
People will have different choices, most people in the United States may see no reason of using any stable coins but convert the coins to United States dollar instead. I prefer to make use of many stable coins instead, and this mostly include USDT and USDC. My coins have not been seized before if it is not more than trading, exchanges and sending from noncustodial wallet.
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cipher42Full Member
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#3Sep 2, 2024, 09:15 AM
You will have to either set up your target prices for taking profit or buying back with very limited prices to do these actions. Otherwise you can gradually take profit or buy back, that means you can DCA your take profit or your buy back practice. The second approach is safer as you will always be able to take profit and buy back, and you won't have to feel headache by finding best prices for taking profit or buying back. PSA: Most Stablecoins Can Be Frozen, Even in Your Own Wallets. It's a big risk but as a rule of risk management, don't store your fund in any single stablecoin, assume we are discussing baout fund storage in stablecoins, and it's better to diversifying your storage to different stable coins. USDT USDC DAI Depends on your favorite, you can have different % more or less for these stablecoins in your fund storage.
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miner_satFull Member
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#4Sep 2, 2024, 10:49 AM
I have never bought Dai, I only use two stablecoins which are USDT and USDC. These two coins are doing fine and I don't think that we might see them out of the market any time soon. Store your coins in a self custody wallet that supports multcoins to keep your asset safe and don't leave them in an exchange because you want to convert it later back to bitcoin.
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#5Sep 2, 2024, 04:22 PM
USDT and USDC are not as safe choice as you may think. Problem with them is that they can be frozen, even if they are in your own non custodial wallet, and that's something that it can't happen with DAI. Chances of that happening are not high of course, but it can happen and you should be aware of it. I also sometimes use USDC/USDT, but I never store larger amounts of money for longer period in it.
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leo2021Member
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#6Sep 2, 2024, 07:07 PM
You raised a valid concern. keeping profit in stablecoins hepls avoid volatility, but the risk of freezing is real especially with ones like USDT or USDC. That's why options like DAI or even moving funds to self custody wallets are becoming more important. As for converting back to cash, it depends on the situations. Some people swap to cash for security while others diversify part in cash, part in  crypto and part in assets like gold or real estate. The key is to not keep everything in on place.
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the_stackFull Member
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#7Sep 2, 2024, 11:28 PM
Actually, I did the same thing currently I made a take profit during the ATH of the market, but apparently is the maket of the bitcoin are now stagnant and waiting for the confirmation of the market, so as of now I hold some on the other hand, I take an opportunity while waiting for position is I do make staking some of my stable coins so they arent just sleeping in my wallet instead they are accumulating a percentage of APY. Of course there's a lock in period in some platform so I make sure I still have fews if ever there's a market opportunity to the bitcoin or even into alts.
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real_guruFull Member
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#8Sep 4, 2024, 12:42 AM
I have not actually thought about this risk. This is a kind of risk we can have a level of control over and can manage to the best of our ability. The options I will employ would be to split the profits into different stable coins. Where some could be in USDT, some in DAI and if the profit is not too much, some can be saved in fiat. But in all, I will try not to save for too long. The risks increases as the money stays idle for too long. Well, I am not bothered about this right now, as long as I am not ready to take profits now, the profits can remain in bitcoins even if volatility meets it.
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3r1c777Full Member
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#9Sep 6, 2024, 10:41 AM
And that's why I don't have issues with anyone who prefers to use the word "Bitcoin" only, and not "cryptocurrency" despite Bitcoin also being a cryptocurrency(I've seen users that don't like the word). Majority of what we have in the crypto market don't have much difference from what has been in existence. They still heavily posses their centralized properties, while appearing in a digital form and using a Blockchain technology. The ability for them to carry out seizures of assets makes them in charge even though you own it. I didn't know before now that Tether can actually freeze USDT in a non custodian wallet, though I'm not surprised either. Personally, I don't hold stablecoins for long, and I don't think it's worth holding. My little advice... Go for the stablecoin only when you need it.
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st4ke21Member
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#10Sep 6, 2024, 12:42 PM
This is a very real problem, but unfortunately most people don't think about it. Almost everyone has to use some kind of stablecoin to make a profit in crypto, and the big stablecoins (USDT, USDC, PYUSD) are all centralized freezes, blacklists, everything is possible. The options for those who care about privacy are very limited. In reality, most privacy-aware people don't keep everything in one place. Some use part of DAI, some keep part of it in another liquid crypto or XMR, and some are forced to gradually move to fiat. In short, there is no perfect solution. The rule is one: keeping all profits in one stablecoin, one wallet or one strategy is suicidal. Privacy means accepting inconvenience.
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degen_nonceFull Member
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#11Sep 6, 2024, 05:52 PM
For emergency purposes I do convert to usdt at the mean time and hold for while and whenever I noticed that the market has gone below what I expected I wouldn't be that hesitant to hold back my bitcoin on wallet, the reason why many people do sell off their bitcoin is lack of trust and believe, and yes we know that the market is extremely volatile but that doesn't mean we should be sell to shit coin or hold coin that is worth holding them back. I think many exchange have either delisted DAI, so many people prefers USDT and of course I hold for while to watch the direction of the market to know where it would finally land us so that I can sell back to hold my bitcoin then I would end up holding a higher fraction of it than before where I would have hold and stay back while the market increase back.
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CalmYieldSenior Member
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#12Sep 6, 2024, 08:06 PM
In my opinion.  It is so difficult to be Private and risk free when you want to Trade that it may actually be a better idea to use the 'main stream' ways of exchange. I argued in the past that day Traders can not be desperate for Privacy because to do day Trading you will need quick access to funds and every single second matters.  You will not afford to spend minutes looking for the best Decentralized Exchange deal and you will not afford risks such as the actual Exchange not going through.  And there are many more risks you will definitely not afford. For this reason, if you are moving a large amount back and forth between Bitcoin and Fiat trying to hit the perfect timing then you will probably be better off using the Centralized ways.  I will use my self as an example however.  I do not need to switch from Bitcoin to Fiat and back because in my view Fiat loses purchasing power so fast it is like a time ticking bomb.  Not to mention waiting for the perfect time to get back in to Bitcoin for, again in my opinion, a low reward considering the risk.  How many times did you actually succeed in doing this?  What if you fail even once in hitting the right timing.  Would it not cancel pretty much all the success you had previously? Think this through and thoroughly.  It is often tempting to try to multiply your Bitcoin but when all your Bitcoin is at stake only you know if it is actually worth risking it.
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satoshi2020Senior Member
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#13Sep 6, 2024, 09:40 PM
When you say many I was expecting to see more stable coins aside from USDT and USDC because these two are the most famous stable coins people use. I think for safety using many stable coins is bad because you just have to use the one that your coins will be safe and USDT and USDC are the stable coins for that. Maybe you can tell me like two or three more stable coins asides from these two and I will research on them.
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laser51Full Member
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#14Sep 7, 2024, 12:20 AM
The struggle is real and the same applies to the price being actual fact, that everything is real only if we got the right path to how they are being done, firstly we have to know what we want, not that people will be suggesting for us and giving direction to us as zombies, any coin of our choice could come in handy for use as we see it being profitable to us, which is why we have them in numbers, they are all important in some specific areas we could apply their use.
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#15Sep 9, 2024, 07:26 AM
It is very handy when you can store your current funds let's say at 100k to a stable coin of the same amount or a little bit less (fee or something similar) but if the stable coin is not safe which it can be frozen even if it is stored in non-custodial wallet you own. On my case if the transaction fee isn't small especially for a small time crypto owners then I think fiat would be the best choice even if the struggle is real compared to converting it to stable coins like DAI.
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dan.whaleFull Member
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#16Sep 9, 2024, 12:57 PM
If you are taking profits, you can simply convert to a stable coins, but that's not the only way to take profits. Though as a bitcoin investors you should know when to take profits. If your investment hasn't yet yielded a good and reasonable amount of return, what they is the use of taking profits? It would be worse converting to a coin that would put you into further losses, so as someone smart you should already have a plan set aside for when you want to take profits. It's either you are putting it back in to the market at a lower price or you are using the profits to invest in other opportunities out there.
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boss_wizardSenior Member
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#17Sep 11, 2024, 12:59 PM
There is no stopping you to cash it out in the bank if you're afraid of stablecoin yet you want to take your profit. Other method is to short bitcoin proportional to your current holding to mantain current value so even if the price dumped, you still get the profit you want but the funding rate will be a problem and also shorting bitcoin is like the dumbest thing. When holding bitcoin I don't really take profit and instead hold it. It's like holding gold, the value appreciate as the time goes, so this concept of taking profit was never a problem for me in the first place.
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planktonSenior Member
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#18Sep 13, 2024, 12:51 AM
I think it's no secret that speculators or traders are hedging on stable coins to stop the bleeding and then come back when the market looks good to invest and trade again to make a profit. Depends on which stable coins you want to hedge. I'm not saying that USDT is the most trusted, but I think most speculators put it there for safe keeping. Privacy? if you talk about it then maybe it's better to put it is privacy centric coins. Because once you become a trading, then you have to submit KYC and other pertinent documents so you stripped yourself of privacy already, just saying.
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SwiftPixelFull Member
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#19Sep 13, 2024, 06:21 AM
The only difference between DAI and USDT with some other stablecoins is that DAI is decentralised, which makes it safe from being frozen by the creators. You can have it held in your self-custody wallet and still not be able to use it. That's what makes centralised currency dangerous. Since they both hold the same value, it's better to just stay with DAI if you want to transact in big numbers that will attract attention, but for smaller sales and holding, maybe USDT can still be used, but don't consider it to be a safe zone because it's not.
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davechadMember
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#20Sep 13, 2024, 07:20 AM
Anything that has to do with a centralized coin like USDT or USDC is not guaranteed safety no matter how you store it, if the address is flagged, the coins in it can still be frozen I suppose since it is centrally managed unlike bitcoin which has no central control. We may say that unless it is linked to illegal transactions, it's safe but we all know how crazy the government can be, they can come up with a law tomorrow and invalidate your coins, more reason it is not advisable to hold much funds in stable coins. I've not explored DAI, but it has caught my attention going forward
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