So, the SEC just had a statement about mining under Proof of Work... They say that mining activities, like the ones we're familiar with in Protocol Mining, don't count as selling securities according to the rules from 1933 and 1934. This means that if you’re into mining, you don’t have to worry about registering your transactions with them or finding a way to fit into any exemptions.
Seems like a small win for miners out there.
Mining under PoW is not a securities offer
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I do not see it as victory but as the truth. Bitcoin and coins using PoW and which are decentralized like bitcoin are commodities, unlike PoS like ethereum and other which are securities.
It is just an obvious truth. I like that all SEC governors know this. Even Gary Gensler knows this.
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#3Apr 2, 2025, 06:01 AM
Too bad they used the wildly inaccurate line about mining "being the solving of complex mathematical equations"...
For 1, even applying sha256 for actually creating a key or using it is NOT a complex math operation - it is a very straightforward operation. As far as mining goes, there is no 'solving' -- it essentially is simply very high speed random rolling the dice to find a matching hash.
As far as the SEC goes, yes they have no concerns about mining itself but - the mining companies are another story. If they issue company stock or tokens to investors that falls squarely within SEC governance.
I can think of many examples that seem to have always been obvious, but became mandatory after the law came into existence: the right to education, the prohibition of discrimination, slavery, environmental protection, the right to free speech, the right to privacy, and many others.
It has been obvious to many that Bitcoin is a commodity, but it has only recently been enshrined in law
Not sure enshrined in law is accurate, but it is good that this ruling is being done.
Statement on the Approval of Spot Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Products
https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/gensler-statement-spot-bitcoin-011023
I can definitely confirm that the SEC considers bitcoin to be a commodity, as does eth.
SEC and CFTC call eth a commodity
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996518.msg63864548#msg63864548
Sorry if my question sounds silly, but was this really the SEC's view of Bitcoin mining? Did miners need to register their transactions with the SEC under the Securities Act?
In any case, this is certainly good news, but I'm really surprised by their thinking. I mean, Bitcoin is a product of the mining process. They are intuitively related, so can they be classified as two different things?
I can't see why this could not be considered as solving an equation. Brute force being the best known solution algorithm doesn't change that, nor does applying a randomized algorithm.
coldstorageFull Member
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#9Apr 8, 2025, 01:30 PM
My problem is with them saying it is solving a complex equation. Brute force is just gazillions of random guesses hoping that one of them is right. There are no math operations performed beyond taking a previous failed guess and incrementing +1 to it while making sure previously submitted guesses are not repeated.
Anywho, going off-topic with this.
Income from cryptocurrency mining in the U.S. is subject to tax laws, so miners do not have to file copies of their returns with other government agencies.
I'm sure the clarification is published because their Securities Act is very old and since no one wants to change it yet, such clarifications will help certain companies to use bitcoin for their purposes.
It is obvious that people represent these things based on their perspectives. Initially, the folks that started mining bitcoin were not thinking of profit but these days, it's all about profit so it doesn't pass the Howey test. But looking at it from investment intent, people were not promised riches or profit to get involved in Bitcoin so there is no basis to classify it as security.
Howey test has been outdated for a long time and it is incorrect to use it to cryptocurrencies. It's just that in the US people don't like to change legislation, so they have been living with this vestige since 1946.
Other countries have created new legislation that regulates cryptocurrencies.
If it were so obvious, there wouldn't be a long legal battle between Ripple and the SEC, nor would all altcoins be considered stocks.
In the meantime, most altcoins in the US have very high regulatory risks. So far no one can say how the SEC will classify Polkadot, Atom and other similar projects.
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Uncle Gary used to define what was a stock and what was a commodity. And now we need a new law for digital assets:
Bipartisan Legislation Seeks to Distinguish Securities and Commodities in the Crypto Market
https://news.bitcoin.com/bipartisan-legislation-seeks-to-distinguish-securities-and-commodities-in-the-crypto-market/
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