Quantum AI and SHA-256: Should We Trust Bitcoin's Security?

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darkmoonFull Member
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#1Sep 23, 2018, 09:51 AM
Quantum AI and SHA-256: Should We Trust Bitcoin's Security? We often hear how Bitcoin is "immutable." But as someone involved with Predictive AI, I can’t help but think about what the next decade holds. If AI can boost hashrate efficiency by 10,000% or discover a shortcut in cryptography, does the "21 Million" limit even matter if the security gets compromised? I’m worried: is Bitcoin’s security actually "mathematically perfect" or are we just waiting for an AI strong enough to crack it?
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#2Sep 23, 2018, 02:26 PM
I believe the satoshi himself already know about this. SHA-256 is a brute force game. While AI that I know is currently making hardware 200–300% more efficient at managing heat and power for miner, it hasn't found a mathematical back door to crack open SHA256, even if an AI found a way to mine 10,000% faster, the Difficulty Adjustment would reset every 2,016 blocks. Means if you found the most efficient way the difficurly would be high. About the quantum I believe there is a paper that discussed about this one and before quantum could crack open all of the encrypted data they might figure a new algorithm.
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darkmoonFull Member
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#3Sep 23, 2018, 04:28 PM
Good points, @dansus021. The Difficulty Adjustment is definitely the ultimate immune system here. The thing is, AI is a pattern-recognition engine, but SHA-256 is designed to be pure entropy. If an AI ever finds a mathematical shortcut  to crack SHA-256, Bitcoin will be the least of our worriesthe entire global banking system and military encryption would collapse overnight. Also, we shouldn't forget that we don't just mine with math; we secure with ECDSA. While AI might optimize ASICs, the real "boss fight" is Quantum vs. Public Keys. But even then, Bitcoin isn't a static monument. If a real threat emerges, the network will simply soft-fork to Post-Quantum Cryptography. The "Hardness" isn't just in the code , it’s in the network's ability to adapt faster than any single attacker. Don't bet against the Honey Badger.
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sam.bullSenior Member
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#4Sep 23, 2018, 06:12 PM
They are both different Bitcoin hard capped supply and it'd security. The max isn't protected by hashrate or SHA256 but by a consensus rule coded into every full nodes So even if AI boost efficiency it would still have to follow the protocol rules. Mind you if it's too easy the difficulty increases vice versa.
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darkmoonFull Member
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#5Sep 24, 2018, 01:27 PM
Fair point, Ambatman. You're highlighting the Separation of Powers in Bitcoin. Basically, even a ''God-mode'' AI is just a faster worker, not the lawmaker. If an AI manages to optimize hashrate by 10,000%, it only triggers a massive difficulty adjustment upward, essentially pricing out non-AI miners but keeping the 10 minute block time intact. However, wouldn't such a massive leap in efficiency lead to a Hashrate Centralization risk? If only those with the best AI can mine, we shift from ''One CPU, One Vote'' to One Model, One Vote. The 21M cap remains safe, but the censorship resistance might be the real battlefield. Thoughts?
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#6Sep 24, 2018, 03:40 PM
If AI or a quantum computer manages to crack open the SHA-256 all the encryption maybe already be obsolete, but on the other hand the developer won't make that happen, I believe they are gonna make a new algorithm and that also happen in bitcoin code aswell. and what have you said is true
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darkmoonFull Member
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#7Sep 24, 2018, 07:44 PM
To clarify my stance: these aren't just theoretical AI-generated scenarios. As someone deeply invested in understanding the intersection of hardware (like Bitaxe mining) and protocol security, I believe the  Hardness of Bitcoin is its ability to render any technological leap (AI or Quantum) obsolete through social consensus and rapid adaptation. While SHA-256 is the current shield, the true 'immune system' is the economic incentive and the nodes' ability to pivot. If the math ever weakens, the network will evolve via a soft-fork to stronger primitives. Bitcoin is a human-driven consensus that uses math as a tool, not a prisoner of the math itself. Thanks for the solid debate, everyone. I think we've covered the core of the issue here. See you on the next block!
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