Saylor turns pessimistic for 2025

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#1Sep 19, 2025, 06:25 AM
If you’re still holding out hope for a major surge this year, you might want to reconsider since Bitcoin’s bull, Michael Saylor, isn’t quite seeing it that way anymore. He’s now saying Bitcoin could hit $150,000 by the end of the year. I gotta say, the title can be a bit misleading, making it sound like he’s still on the bull train, but that’s not really the case. Sure, Saylor could be off here, but it’s worth noting that someone with his bullish past is now mentioning that price. For those who are curious about his exact comments on the prediction without having to sit through the whole video, it's all at the end.
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#2Sep 19, 2025, 12:16 PM
And we care what he says about btc prices because? Is he dumping his positions? If not then it doesn’t mean anything what he says. If he does that, then he might very well trigger the bear market and then it is not an expectation anymore. It is just what he is about to do. Since he is fully leveraged and strategy’s btc position is worth billions of usd, him going short actually can crash the markets. Or… That’s what he wants us to think then he’ll go full long on btc and eff everyone out of their positions. What I think? I think it is best to ignore him completely.
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kevintokenFull Member
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#3Sep 21, 2025, 12:57 PM
According to what Michael Saylor said, he actually meant that bitcoin will likely rise to $150000 in this year according to what the analysts of their company agreed on in consensus. But he also thinks that bitcoin might increased up to a million dollar in the next 4 to 8 years but he is not referring to the analysts prediction the way he said this second one.
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#4Sep 21, 2025, 05:53 PM
That's contradictory to what was his company Strategy is doing when in fact it just recently bought $43M worth of crypto last Monday. Well, it doesn't made any moves on the upside tbh which is probably not that interesting anymore to the masses. It's a decent prediction and a psychological level but I'm not really expecting a rise more than that this year so that's just basically a fair prediction, probably for me too.
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ryan2021Member
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#5Sep 21, 2025, 07:30 PM
Michael Sellers has focused on buying Bitcoin and holding it for the long term. He has stated that he is committed to holding Bitcoin for the long term by targeting a price of $150k. He has mentioned the price of Bitcoin because he wants to strengthen his unique people and analysts and predictions. However, he does not have a future where he can strengthen his Bitcoin holdings and buy them for a long time.
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0xYieldMember
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#6Sep 21, 2025, 08:57 PM
I totally agree with this point. This is just a strategic move to make the weak minds falter. Imagine that someone as influential and pro Bitcoin like Micheal Saylor being pessimistic about the future of Bitcoin price, it will definitely affect but then when such people get scared and sell off their coins, it would give him enough room to amass more. Bitcoin investment is not for the weak, so in other to remove the competition, you need to employ every form of trickery you know.  Again, like you said, if it isn't the mind of mind of Saylor to just give his opinion for selfish purposes but he's saying things based on how he has seen the market, who cares? I mean, it won't be the first time Bitcoin doesn't reach an expected mark by a speculated time frame but the important thing is that it would still get there so, should we panic?
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shrimpFull Member
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#7Sep 21, 2025, 10:41 PM
fuck your click bate garbage. 🗑️  that was my first thought that came to me after reading your title and your first post. but to be fair I have yet to view the video. and i also believe the run will last all of 2026 so that 150k this year and 250k next year could happen. I will come back and edit this after I view the video. and if he really is bullish I will say fuck your thread and your video. but if he is bearish I will be the first to say that. i figure knowing you it is about 65 to 35 you thread was click bate. i did not read what anyone said as i want to just stick with my impression of what you seem to have done. lets see if I am wrong. and i watched the entire link 150k by end of 2025 1,000,000 between 2029 to 2033 20,000,000 down the road. is what he says. so where is the bear if he is corrrect. i will merit you because i went and viewed the video just to prove you wrong.
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#8Sep 22, 2025, 12:39 AM
Because this is the Speculation section, and we discuss the price as well as predictions that he or someone else we know might make. Why should he, if he expects a 35% price increase by the end of the year? Another one who doesn't get it. The bear is in the 2025 prediction as the title of this thread says. This should have been the most bullish year, at least according to past cycles.
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the_defiFull Member
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#9Sep 22, 2025, 01:19 AM
Maybe this was said at the context of the occasion whereby the news was going round about his dumping from what he has been holding, but by now, I expected that we should all not be moved by these, it may be a strategy he is testing to acheive something more than we are seeing, because their influence could cause a little stir in the market and through that they find another entry point instead of dumping,  we should often do our own research and buy when we seen it's bearish and sell when it pumps up.
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#10Sep 22, 2025, 07:17 AM
What? Link to those "news", please. In my opinion, what you have done is skim through some of the previous (erroneous) comments that were asking if he was going to sell his coins as a result of the prediction and you have made up some “news.”
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LoneChainMember
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#11Sep 22, 2025, 11:01 AM
That's probably what everyone in the Bitcoin community, or just the cryptocurrency community in general, will start calling him if indeed he starts selling the Bitcoin in Strategy's vault, no? If he pivots to become "Michael Sellers", I believe that would be the most stupid decision he'll make as an investor.
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#12Sep 22, 2025, 11:07 AM
I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed it, but I think Saylor is playing a trick here. He tends to become selfish here, by saying that he's looking forward for $150k at this year-end, when we all know how bullish he is and even managed to risk an amount of $43.4 million with the last company's purchase. It's like he is discouraging the people not to assume a lot from bitcoin, maybe so they won't keep on accumulating, so that the biggest portion will be acquired by his company later on. His prediction may seem bearish for 2025, but in reality, he is very bullish and confident that bitcoin will make it more above $150k before this year ends.
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shrimpFull Member
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#13Sep 22, 2025, 02:59 PM
Jesus fucking christ didn't anyone watch the video. 150 by the end of 2025 1 million between 2029 and 2033 and upwards of 20 million in 20 years. has not a mother fucking thing to do with bears. it is veal for 2025 or 150k and veal if really easy for me. down the road it is tomahawk steaks and at the end of the road it is a side of wagu beef. bullish bullish bullish no bears in site on that video. and if we really are at 150k at the end of the year it simply means a longer up cycle maybe 5 or 6 years say 2029 if the right wing pro coiners get replaced by left wing anti coiners.
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5erNewbie
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#14Sep 22, 2025, 04:20 PM
MS is a degen. Making huge bets that if ever there is an extended crash, it will be a rough ride for his shareholders.
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0xFarmMember
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#15Sep 22, 2025, 07:04 PM
I know for certain that Saylor no matter the market condition can never scum to been bearish, I could remember the last time bitcoin had a serious bearish sentiment in 2022 he was seriously bullish then and was calling for higher price even when it was crystal clear that we were in bearish conditions then, he even predicted $100k price for bitcoin in 2023 so predicting the market price of $150k in a year that it is supposed to be bullish is a bearish prediction. I will say if actually this wasn’t bearish prediction then we could have been reading Saylor still predicting a price above $200k this year with justification that two months is enough to attain that but him actually predicting this price shows he isn’t super bullish again
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0xSatoshiMember
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#16Sep 22, 2025, 09:17 PM
Exactly! Nothing bearish in what he was saying. Nobody who believes that an asset would even go 1% in 2 months can be called a bear. Every positive prediction is bullish, by  definition. You can only be more or less bullish, but for him to turn bearish he would have to predict 0 growth towards the end of the year.
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shrimpFull Member
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#17Sep 22, 2025, 11:11 PM
whatever happens happens but bear would mean we drop under 100k for the end of the year or worse. going up to 150k is  bullish to a degree. to imply that going from 110k to 150k is bearish is simply a misuse of the English language.
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#18Sep 22, 2025, 11:27 PM
This is really odd. Saylor should be the the most optimistic person for the future price of bitcoin, and not the other way around. Although I do know for sure that Saylor knows well how the market moves and how bearish may seem to closely happen, but I don't think predicting a bearish price more than a bullish price is really applicable during year end, when all of us are aware that the big surprise of bitcoin takes place within the last quarter or the last month of the year.
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#19Sep 23, 2025, 05:07 AM
Dont classify BTC by just Per Annum performance, its not running on what we see between now and year end, there is no year end for BTC in its trajectory so the mistake is to fit that frame as a boundary is wrong from the beginning.   Same for a tax year though I do think that fits better maybe because some people will sell around that time, its minor if anything.   I dont like the take in general where Saylor or anybody else is that important.   If it was about personalities and a persons views or beliefs we'd still have Satoshi around in some way he'd be expressing this or that instead he did the opposite knowing it was more important for the blockchain to proceed forward on its own.  I say the same for politics for or against, I hope it never relies on structure such as that.
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LoneChainMember
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#20Sep 23, 2025, 05:40 AM
I believe that the only people who says that Bitcoin surging to $150,000 in December is "bearish" are those people who are late buyers.  I also believe that those people will be the sellers at the current price level to buy shitcoins so that they try to get more returns to their "investments". But they probably have not noticed that MOST of the altcoin market has been UNDERPERFORMING Bitcoin. They would have to be lucky, or they'll have less units in Bitcoin AND fiat after their "trades".
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