SEC issues Wells notice to top DEX

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the_ledgerSenior Member
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#1Dec 9, 2018, 12:41 AM
Looks like the SEC is sticking to their playbook of regulating through enforcement. A Wells notice basically means they’re gearing up to file a lawsuit against whoever gets it. This could definitely hurt the market, might trigger a sell-off that we'd all hate to see. But hey, it could also have a positive side, like what happened with Ripple. If the defendants win, it could set a big precedent for the entire crypto world. So, the decentralized exchange Uniswap has just gotten a heads up from the SEC, saying they're about to take action. The CEO, Hayden Adams, took to X to express his feelings about it. He wasn’t shocked but definitely felt annoyed and ready to push back. Wells notices are just early warnings about potential charges the SEC is considering. They often lead to some serious enforcement actions. In a press briefing, Uniswap’s COO and Chief Legal Officer revealed that the notice is mainly about them operating as an unregistered securities broker and exchange. Catch the full story here.
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just_wizardFull Member
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#2Dec 9, 2018, 07:23 PM
Basically they're trying to eliminate DEXes and making them CEXes so the people that don't want to do KYC will have nowhere to run anymore because of this, I'm looking forward to the prices going down though, that's one thing that I think is a positive given how expensive it is to buy bitcoin right now, I'm welcoming any event that would lead bitcoin to dump in prices but overall this is still bad news for us I think, the anonymity and freedom that we're enjoying for a really long time seems to be thing that's slowly going away, I hope that in this case, the defendants would get the win though, let the DEXes live and they all should leave them alone.
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real_byteSenior Member
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#3Dec 10, 2018, 12:58 AM
Not only is this another frivilous lawsuit, but it will go nowhere, same as with Ripple (XRP). DEXes cannot be regulated like CEXes. It is technically not possible. Gary is just bored at this point and lashing out at whatever.   Gary Gensler's claims that the existing securities laws are sufficient to police crypto but obviously he is comparing apples to oranges at this point.
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alex.shardLegendary
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#4Dec 10, 2018, 06:21 AM
What if SEC wins? We have been talking about this day may come if the SEC are looking for ways the so called decentralized exchanges has to make their customers to go through KYC before they can make use of their services just like what Jack Dorsey proposed when he has in mind to establish a decentralized exchange. It can be possible that the decentralized exchanges may later have no option.
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real_byteSenior Member
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#5Dec 12, 2018, 06:03 AM
The only way they can win is by attacking centralized elements. If they win then that only proves that Uniswap is not as decentralized as it claims. I think we will see development of privacy-based and more decentralized DEXes as a response to SEC enforcing regulations on Uniswap. I never really understood the hype behind Uniswap in the first place.
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diamond_2020Legendary
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#6Dec 12, 2018, 07:44 AM
I don't think the SEC will completely win here, but the SEC will have the opportunity to take a large fine from Uniswap and end the process with a peace agreement. Decentralized exchanges already have projects of white lists and intermediaries for KYC. If the government wanted regulation, they would make clear rules and large decentralized exchanges would comply. But for some reason it seems to me that financial interests come first here.
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#7Dec 12, 2018, 01:42 PM
How come a decentralized exchange can be regulated while users don’t have any account and just interacting through smart contract on exchange. I don’t understand what’s the basis of lawsuit while the exchange is just dealing with bunch of shitcoins to shitcoins exchange without any USD involved. They should just stay regulating CEX like Binance because there’s a lot of potential irregularities happening on that exchange with too many pump and dump on new token listing.
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real_byteSenior Member
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#8Dec 12, 2018, 04:01 PM
I agree. This is where the main fault lies: their traditional regulatory framework does not work for crypto. The demands of the SEC that decentralized crypto apps must follow their outdated framework is unreasonable and unenforceable.
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diamond_2020Legendary
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#9Dec 12, 2018, 04:45 PM
The US has a very good regulatory framework, but still has a lot of problems defining what each coin is. One coin may be a commodity, and another a share, and, moreover, only part of the coins can be recognized as shares, because they were sold with violations. I don’t think that the regulators there are stupid and can’t figure it out. This is a very convenient system for receiving large fines. Once all the big projects pay their fines, there will be good regulation.
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matrix2014Senior Member
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#10Dec 12, 2018, 07:49 PM
It will not affect anything, people who use Uniswap aren't privacy oriented users, they use Uniswap in order to buy cheap or newly listed shitcoins in order to flip their money. If the token they bought is listed on CEX, they will send the token to CEX and sell it on there. So it's good to see Gary Gensler attacking wrong place. Dude, the article above talk about Uniswap, a swaps that trade ERC20 tokens, this has nothing to do with Bitcoin!
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the_ledgerSenior Member
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#11Dec 15, 2018, 12:43 AM
There is a precedent on tokens already. It has been ruled by a judge that the tokens by themselves are not securities. It is a very complicated case for uncle Gary on which are the illegal securities and which are not securities. I predict that if this case will gather more attention in the cryptospace and cause fear, we can be quite certain that much DEX trading volume will go to memecoins because memecoins are certainly and cannot be considered illegal securities hehehehhee.
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diamond_2020Legendary
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#12Dec 15, 2018, 12:57 AM
Memcoins have a very small capitalization and are not yet interesting for SEC. Of course, there are large projects, but after news about some requirements from the SEC, the capitalization of such a project may decrease very sharply. And the SEC will become the subject of ridicule. I think that when the SEC punishes all the large projects and they have nothing to do, then they can turn their attention to memcoins.
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lonewhaleSenior Member
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#13Dec 17, 2018, 03:21 AM
Uniswap will be managed centrally, so sooner or later the authorities will require them to adhere to minimum identity verification and anti-money laundering procedures, which means requesting more data from all users. I don't know if Uniswap will comply or not but I think some users will have no problem with that.
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mark.gasFull Member
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#14Dec 17, 2018, 05:59 AM
This is funny, does SEC thinks money could be laundered through a DEX that operates on ERC-20 tokens? Which are mainly shitcoins or the essence of the legal action is just to squeeze some money out Uniswap's pocket. If SEC wins, Pancakeswap will certainly be the next bus stop. I do not think so, they might not be trading Bitcoin and other privacy coins but some of them value their privacy and if SEC wins the legal battle, Uniswap is going to lose some customers.
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diamond_2020Legendary
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#15Dec 17, 2018, 11:25 AM
If identity verification is formal, then a lot of drop services will appear on the market that will help verify the wallet. If the verification is serious, then such actions could kill uniswap, because users will leave for other projects. Uniswap is not a mixer, but simply an exchanger of some tokens for others within the same wallet.
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lonewhaleSenior Member
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#16Dec 17, 2018, 01:30 PM
What worries me most is how long Uniswap can continue with the legal procedures. Uniswap Labs' annual revenue is around $20 million. Their revenue is less than PancakeSwap, and I do not think it is enough to go into the details of a long trial if there is serious evidence against them. https://blockworks.co/news/top-defi-protocols-by-revenue PancakeSwap and Maker seem to be in a better position.
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the_ledgerSenior Member
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#17Dec 17, 2018, 02:49 PM
Agreed. Uncle Gary appears to be on an operation to charge the biggest cryptocoin companies and biggest DeFi platforms with lawsuits because if he can win on one case, this might begin his own precedent hehehe. However, what were the outcomes on uncle Gary's cases against Ripple, Coinbase and Grayscale? Ripple won their case. Coinbase, Grayscale are fighting on their cases and they might also win. I speculate this case against Uniswap will be the last move against the cryptospace from uncle Gary. If he will lose this, we will not hear anything from the SEC again.
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alpha2017Full Member
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#18Dec 17, 2018, 06:24 PM
Just to play devil's advocate here, is it truly a DEX if it has a Chief Executive Officer and Chief Operating Officer?  This is a company.  I don't believe that's the correct platform in which to pursue the notion of a decentralised exchange.  A DEX in its truest form should be purely a protocol, not a commercial entity.  Some open-source software a user can run which will connect them peer-to-peer to other users, nothing more.  Just like Bitcoin.  The moment you try and make it a business, you can (and probably will) be under the microscope of numerous regulatory bodies.  Notice how Uniswap has "employees".  Bitcoin has "contributors".  Bitcoin is not a company and is therefore highly resistant to regulation.  Companies, by comparison, easily crumble under the weight of government pressure. The moment they formed a company, they made it possible.  Uniswap Labs is a company.  Companies get regulated.  They screwed up.
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real_byteSenior Member
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#19Dec 19, 2018, 11:00 AM
I never really considered Unidex a true DEX. They love profit too much to become fully decentralized, open source and community managed.
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the_ledgerSenior Member
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#20Dec 19, 2018, 12:02 PM
However, is there really an official CEO if the DEX is not a registered company? Hayden Adams is the founder and developer of the development company that created an open source software project very much similar to many projects in the cryptospace. I can however understand the argument if the DEX is centralized or decentralized very much similar to the argument if bitcoin presently is centralized or decentralized. In any case, uncle Gary and the SEC's lawsuit will answer many questions and this will be a very exciting development for the cryptospace that will create very important predecents.
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