Everyone's curious about where Bitcoin's price is headed, and there are tons of theories and ideas out there trying to guess.
So, here's my take: it's all about the Whales.
This theory is based on the idea that a tiny number of powerful players (whether individuals, companies, or even governments) hold a massive chunk of the actual Bitcoin supply. Figuring out Bitcoin ownership is its own rabbit hole, and there are different ways to estimate it. But just to keep it simple, since one person can easily manage a million wallets, just counting wallets doesn’t really mean much.
For my theory, let’s assume there’s a small group of Bitcoin Whales who are somewhat in sync. They’re likely to behave similarly, driven by human instincts like trying to get the most profit.
Another part of this theory is that these Whales, holding a significant amount of the supply and having total control over their assets, can use their influence to sway the market to boost their long-term gains.
With all that in mind, what does this mean for Bitcoin's price going forward? If you were one of these Whales, what would you do? How would you strategize to get the most out of your investment?
It might get a bit complex, but I’ll throw out a few ideas that seem solid based on these thoughts:
1. A Whale wouldn’t just sell off all their Bitcoin.
The Whale Theory of Bitcoin 1.0
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SwiftMinerSenior Member
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#2Jan 18, 2022, 01:36 AM
Most of these things are basically standard economics. If you can't actually control the network itself you can partially force centralization of price to a considerable extent and it's why you see these companies and institutions trying as much as they can to HODL more including the government too.
There are flaws to every system and even if bitcoin hardly has any a limited supply is actually the perfect condition to centralize price to an extent and you can see that in so called precious stones and metals too. Scarcity can be a delusion sometimes and simultaneously can be used as an advantage.
You bring up an interesting point, which is that if Bitcoin's ownership is as concentrated it I think it is, then it's not very... decentralized, at least from the standpoint of its marketplace.
One important difference between Bitcoin (and crypto generally) and traditional commodities is that in the crypto world there are zero regulations. If you engaged in market manipulation of other things then you'd likely get in trouble, but with Bitcoin there is probably no such fear.
Here's a little Whale news:
https://www.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:c2b9c3fc4094b:0-bitcoin-whales-participate-in-v-shaped-accumulation-offsetting-230k-btc-sell-off/
The definition of "whale" in this story is different than the OP, but I like the idea of "following the whales" when it comes to predicting Bitcoin futures.
So how would the whale manipulate the market if they don't dump and buy back after dumping if they're just trading other assets?
Not necessarily a good assumption. Not even a whale interested in market manipulation wants Bitcoin price as high as possible. Your theory of a whale community in contact makes no sense if that is the case. If whales are to grow their advantage, the only sensible approach is direct manipulation of the market by dumping and buying when the market panics.
There is no way to understand and execute very significant market manipulation without the coordination, so I agree with this point.
I wouldn't say I completely understand what you mean here, but whatever.
This makes sense, though I don't see how they've done this in practice. Bitcoin became popular mostly because criminals, ponzi scheme operators and the like drew the attention of governments and law enforcement agancies to it. Then some governments saw its potentials and embraced it through instruments like ETFs.
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This has been overflogged already.
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I think whale watching is a waste of time. The commonsense thing to do is move opposite the market if you're confident that it is manipulated. When investors are spooked is when you should be confident. When they're confident is when you should be skeptical. Simple.
Presumably they would dump a little more than they bought back over time.
Yes, but again, they would dump at a high price, panic the market, and then buy back 80% of what they dumped which could panic the market back to the previous level. This would be especially effective if you did this in concert with other promotional activities. I'm certainly no expert at market manipulation, but with a huge chunk of the supply under your control and millions of dollars to hire a staff of full-time superstar experts, this doesn't sound very hard.
To run up the price to a market cap of over $1 trillion, you need a lot more than criminals--you need mainstream consumer investors.
Yes, but... that's whale watching . If you understand what is going on in the market because of these moves, you can time your own moves much better.
For instance, if you see a big dip, you can count on the whales to try to de-panic the market and bring it back up somewhat, so you should buy that dip and then sell quickly after that before they themselves sell.
oracle_satoshiFull Member
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#7Jan 22, 2022, 05:21 AM
Yeah, big holder or whale do have an impact on the price cant deny this but it is in the shortterm because they own a large portion of Bitcoin. But that does not mean they control the entire market by setting up a secret club or syndicate. In my opinion each whale is actually a separate investor or institution who make move based on their own profit and loss. It is not a coordinated mastermind club that everyone press the same button exactly same time
You may get a signal by looking at the movement of a big wallet but it would not be right to rely on it like your Gospel. Actually ladoption trend is the main factor which created longterm demand and the importance of million of individual user holding Bitcoin is much greater than the the move of a few wallet. Because if the whale go to do reverse manipulation then they themselve also have a huge risk of getting caught
Interesting post with lots of information. I have also seen a new perspective to what it takes to be a whale and how the participate in the market. One aspect that did not make sense to me is the point that you a whale can't just dump all their holding as that will be counterproductive. I beg to defer on this a little because in terms of practicality, if a whale is sure that he will be able to move the market, nothing stops him from dumping his entire holding to crash the price and buy it back at lower prices thereby making a lot of profits in the process. For low cap coins, their whales do this repeatedly and profit from the process. I know Bitcoin requires lots of capital to do this due to the marketcap and for the fact that there are many whales in the market so no single one would want to expose their capital to elevated risk.
I agree the Whales probably aren't directly connected--although it's also possible that a single entity owns a huge percentage of the liquid market. But as I mentioned above, I think it would be fairly easy for the whales to communicate with each other (call it market sonar ), and coordinate their actions. Remember these whales have $millions per year to pay a staff of expert market watchers and to buy sophisticated tools (this alone makes it so small investors simply have no chance).
I would think a Whale would be incentivized to play the long game. Imagine you held, say, $100B in Bitcoin and you wanted to bail out of it, or at least diversify. With that much of the supply, you would need to be very careful in order to maximize your yield. It would take months to get rid of even a few percent of Bitcoin with seriously affecting the market. Indeed, if you were crazy and just wanted to crash the market to zero, you could just dump a few $billion on the market in the middle of the day and watch the fireworks . There would simply not be enough buyers to absorb the supply, and then the market would panic when the price level dropped, triggering even more sell-offs*.
Instead, I would imagine a whale's task is a multi-year project, dumping enough to get rid of some of their holdings at a higher price, then buying some of it back to keep the long-term confidence in the product stable, then dumping some more, and so on.
(* In another thread, we should all discuss the effects of the leverage markets like Hyper Liquid, and what this does to the markets, because I think that's very significant as well).
Looks like a Whale is about to cash out $760M. Should be interesting to see what this wallet does, and how they sell it to the market...
https://blockchainreporter.net/760m-btc-sent-to-binance-is-the-hyperunit-whale-garrett-jin-cashing-out/
The way I see it, we have two things:
- we have a market that moves on its own
- we have whales that participate in that market
The whales do NOT own and do NOT control the market. They influence it. And this is a very key distinction that needs to be considered in any market theory in my opinion.
This distinction became very clear in 2017, specially mid 2017 when price was struggling to break certain resistances. IIRC around $3k or $4k. Back then there were some whales with a lot of bitcoin who kept trying to "control" the market and push it into bear mode and crash the price. But they got "crushed" themselves and lost a lot of money. So did anybody who followed them into "loss"...
The "whale watching" is also a very dangerous suggestion that actually enables market manipulation and those who do it are effectively giving the whales the control they didn't have before on the market. When people start following some arbitrary data which they usually acquire from shady sources (eg. the infamous whalealert scam) they are giving market manipulators the control to take their money away from them.