Did the 2008 financial meltdown and growing skepticism towards banks make Bitcoin's rise something we couldn't avoid?
A lot of major breakthroughs in history have really depended on being in the right place at the right time. Is Bitcoin one of those cases too?
Was Bitcoin's success a matter of timing or fate?
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Fiat is flawed to the point where it bloats itself too much, so, to a degree - yeah, BTC rise and adoption will become more and more relevant due to it.
quantumbearHero Member
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#3Feb 28, 2023, 04:18 PM
The success in bitcoin is beyond when it was created but it is because there was nothing similar to bitcoin at the time. Bitcoin was new to people it is very opposite and better than fiat in almost all ways as it is decentralized and having limited supply. No blockchain before bitcoin, not successful digital currency before bitcoin. People like new things but bitcoin limited in supply makes it very valuable and they are used as investment while the government was not able to control it.
max.wizardFull Member
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#4Feb 28, 2023, 07:15 PM
They (different govs) can only lick their teeth at it as of now, but they try to keep up the game with reserves / CBDCs
Sooner or later, BTC will be the biggest option besides fiat itself.
QuantumYieldSenior Member
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#5Mar 2, 2023, 05:51 AM
Its success comes from solid technical fundamentals, then a next factor is timing. If other cryptocurrencies created before Bitcoin were launched on a same Bitcoin Genesis Block day, I believe that they would still fail. It is because of their bad technology and lack of security as well as decentralization.
Bitcoin succeeds by its strong security together with decentralization and no censorship. Other cryptoccurencies before Bitcoin and after Bitcoin don't have decentralization.
falcon_2011Full Member
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#6Mar 3, 2023, 12:36 AM
^ Coins that would be the same as BTC launching the day as it did would have all the chances to be the next BTC, and BTC itself would be not as relevant then, but as it is now, yeah, BTC is truly the king of the market..
Bitcoin utility and timing makes it to be the king, and ahead of the rest. Bitcoin was created with good intentions to give us financial freedom. Altcoins were created for selfish purposes which is why they cannot have the unique nature of bitcoin.
Bitcoin is beyond institutional control and censorship resistance because of the decentralized nature. Solving double spending problem. Until we see a new coin that her utility more than that of bitcoin before bitcoin will stop dominating. I don't know if that's possible in the future.
Bitcoin was not launched as at 2008 when the crash happened so there was no way there could be a connection between them. Even in the numerous papers and posts of Satoshi, there was never any reference to that global economic meltdown as a motivation for the creation of Bitcoin, rather it has always been the need for freedom from control and censorship of the centralized and corruption prone fiat system that was the motivation for the creation of Bitcoin. So get your facts right and use Bitcoin for what it was meant for.
orbit_rocketFull Member
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#9Mar 5, 2023, 01:37 AM
I think it's not happen by coincidence, because the Lehman banks bankruptcy happen in September 2008 and then in the next month, Satoshi officially post Bitcoin whitepaper with a purpose to avoid interaction with third party.
Even though Bitcoin exist on the right time, but it still hard to gain trust from people to trust Bitcoin over banks, even now people are still trust banks over Bitcoin.
^ Because BTC overall generally is a brand new thing for everyone, retailers and institutions alike.
But people see how these entities treat them sometimes, and they turn their backs to something different.
Let's make this clear. The 2008 financial crisis, which resulted in mistrust of the institutional banking system, did not make Bitcoin's success unavoidable because central banks monetary policy and banking operations model make mistrust of the system inevitable, while the concept of BTC, and functionality make it success unavoidable.
Yes, Bitcoin was created at the ideal moment, but its success was predetermined by its concept and the solution it offered, since people are always looking for the best alternative solution to a problem.
Surely bitcoin got lucky due to different circumstances, and the 2008 financial crisis was a major one. Even though we call it 2008 financial crisis, it's when it started to have visible effects and it lasted for years. The distrust in fiat did brought more attention to bitcoin.
There were some experiments with digital cash like David Chaums eCash but at that time, the technology for SHA-256 algorithm was not advanced enough for eCash to take advantage of it. The technology for Bitcon were already mature by 2005 but no one made an effort for it and it was finally in 2008 when satoshi nakamoto came to this trustless system.
whale_chainFull Member
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#13Mar 5, 2023, 05:18 AM
In the case of Bitcoin, I won't say timing was a big blow because even before 2008 we still had bank flaws but what propelled Bitcoin was the massive adoption and the vast community of individuals who not only believed in the project but also invested their time, effort, and resources into building around it. The timing might have helped to attract early attention due to the financial crisis, but it was the growing trust and continuous development that sustained Bitcoin and made it what it is today.
Bitcoin's rise is inevitable, and it also happens at the perfect time.
It is not right to say that the success of Bitcoin was due to the financial crisis and distrust in banks, because once something presents an innovative technology with a solution, people will switch to it at the end of the day. However, the financial crisis and distrust in banks do contribute to Bitcoin's success.
Nevertheless, the majority of people who see a beneficial future in BTC did so due to its technology, consensus, and potential of creating a millionaire overnight.
True, timing sure played a huge role. The financial crisis of 2008 really brought to light how fragil and manipulating banking system can be, thereby eroding the trust of the public. Bitcoin did show up just at the right moment presenting a decentralized network, transparent option that don't rely on governments or even banks.
Therefore as the idea of Bitcoin was revolutionary, the timing is what makes it feel necessary. Without the international financial meltdown and loss of faith in firms, it may have remained a niche tech experiment rather than becoming a movement.
Maybe yes... Maybe no. I can't certainly tell.
I agree that timing places a crucial role in certain things, but there are chances of things not going right or as expected because it is part of life, and mind you, majority of these same individuals still ended up trusting the same financial system after the whole crisis. Though, I want to believe that a lot of things must have contributed to what has made Bitcoin what it is today, and a decent number of people are grateful for that.
This is exactly what Bitcoin was created, but I guess not very much people will see it for its worth when the economy seems fine or when the fiat system appears to be okay, but the moment the economy starts crashing and alongside the fiat system, then people start seeing Bitcoin as a way out from the financial and economic collapse and it gives them more assurance and serves as a safety net for those who turn towards it for refuge.
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#18Mar 7, 2023, 08:47 AM
It didn't have a "good timing". It was a response to a very telling point in history. It's the cure to one of mankind's oldest diseases, so yes, it is inevitable. The 2008 crisis was just the last crisis where everyone was helpless and unarmored.
Bitcoin is the armor the people can now use to resist the centuries old theft. It's the organism that grows with financial entropy and chaos. Every crisis is one step closer to hyperbitcoinization. And we're the first people to experience life post-inflation.
This may not be the case for bitcoin as even if nothing happens to banks in 2008 that lead to financial crisis, bitcoin will still stand strong and undisputed. It may be a coincidence that when bitcoin came, it came at the time that banks had a very big blow that lead to many distrust in them but seeing how Bitcoin was able to farewell to this point, it doesnt point back to this financial crisis of banks that lead to its success.
Again, if bitcoin in anyway come this far, and has faced a lot of black ash and also still farewell when everything in the traditional banking system was going fine, then it shows the strength of it not being disputable by the traditional banks. Bitcoin came at the right time and nothing has pushed it to have come this far, it happens independently of any support, so it makes it a trustworthy asset.
I don't think that 2008 has to do much (or anything) with Bitcoin's success. Bitcoin was an innovation at that time when it was created and it was also created very well. There was no blockchain concept before AFAIK. So, since Bitcoin was a very interesting creation and technology, it soon gained attention of good computer scientists because it really looks very interesting for such people. Then, slowly, it became popular, people started buying things with it (don't forget Pizza transaction), then started trading, then a coin that could be easily be mined in a large quantity, slowly gained value and the price reached $100. It looks like a thing that costs $0 became $100 in a flash. The question is, what caused Bitcoin's, rise? I'll tell you that at least 90% of Bitcoin users and investors have no idea how economy works and don't realize what actually happened in 2008. The reason of Bitcoin's rise is that it gained value from zero to a $100 and when people saw how easily this innovative coin brought x100 profit, they started investing. Then others made a decent profit and slowly more and more people started buying Bitcoin. Then other companies and people saw a great opportunity of making money from this coin and slowly, over years, Bitcoin achieved a great financial success. That's it!