[Just a heads up / Disclaimer] This is totally a made-up scenario. I don’t think it’s very likely (maybe less than 1% chance).
So I had this random thought in another thread: what if, just due to speculation and panic selling, Bitcoin tanked and lost over 95% of its value, dropping down to like $1000?
Would Bitcoin bounce back from that?
There are a bunch of reasons why such a drop could theoretically happen:
- Saylor's strategy goes belly up, and he has to dump all his coins, causing a huge panic.
- The US decides to sell off its Strategic Bitcoin reserve.
- Tether goes under.
- Blackrock pulls its Bitcoin ETF.
- Satoshi himself sells off his coins (not some quantum hackers).
- We could see a huge panic sell-off after a major stock market crash like in 2008.
Looking into my crystal ball, I have a feeling the price would likely recover in the mid to long term, maybe even short term, for a couple of reasons:
1) A lot of people would see this as a huge buying opportunity. Those who missed out before 2017 would jump at the chance to buy in at such a low price. Even a rise back to $10,000 would mean huge gains.
2) It’s possible that some of the original cypherpunks and idealistic Bitcoin supporters could come back if the likes of Saylor, the ETFs, and the US government step away from the market. This might even set the stage for healthier growth as a currency and a store of value.
What if Bitcoin Drops to $1000? I Think It Would Bounce Back
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Without a fundamental reason? This is impossible.
But for example, if it happens, that will be the first time Bitcoin will happen, that dump is too much that will reach that percentage.
Because the last time it has huge percentage was in 2011, that drawdown was around -94%.
So if we base on the current all-time high, which is $126,000, and it drops to $1,000, that is around -99% drawdown, first in history!
Will it recover? Yes, I believe it will still recover because we already had a lot of experience huge dumps from the past.
Can that ever happen by just Panic selling or some other speculation? I dont think so personally..like 95% percent of bitcoin value being erased? That will be a very surprising scenario and the likelihood isnt just less than 1% it should be less than 0.1%..
Uhhm
..yeah I think so!
Theoretical these scenarios might cause a very big negative impact on the market but I still dont think any of these can make the price sink to $1000
Yeah, many people might possibly use the big opportunity to accumulate a lot of bitcoins because it is really cheap, we might see a massive influx of capital into bitcoin..
Will there ever be? Even if there is another decentralized crypto `competing with bitcoin, I dont think it can ever be a reason for such crash!
Thats my opinion above⬆️
node_walletSenior Member
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#4Jun 23, 2024, 03:50 PM
Don't be surprised that some people are actually fantasizing about Bitcoin crashing to anywhere around $1000k range so that they can get a second chance to enter the market and empty their savings on accumulating the dip. Achieving this feat will be a pipe dream but it is important to note that nothing is entirely impossible as far as Bitcoin value is concerned. Bitcoin has gained so much trust as a store of value that no matter how low it's value drops it has potentials to always recover because as some holders are dumping on the market others are buying them up.
Bitcoin value is based on it's scarcity which is it's limited supply and as more investors are hodling it in anticipation of making profit on the long term, this will always make demand to always be greater than supply. As long as this circle of supply being greater than demand on the long term keeps reoccuring we can be positive that we will always see ATH no matter how low it plunges.
I have replied to various threads pertaining to the possibility of the Bitcoin market hitting $1000.
My point is always the same - would the market even get a chance to go that low?
We have heard over the years of some people saying that if they were back in 2010, 2011, 2013 etc.
they would sell everything to buy Bitcoin. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but time travel is not possible.
Now imaging the market hits $50k, I think there would be fairly strong buying pressure,
what if it hit $25k, that would surely result in fierce buying pressure,
$10k - what can I do to get as much FIAT into Bitcoin
$1k - sell my house
Yea, probably all those would trigger a market dip/crash/armageddon but for sure it would recover.
If Bitcoin now is greater than any one person, even Satoshi, its definitely greater than all of the above.
GrimRocketMember
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#6Jun 23, 2024, 08:52 PM
Already there is a proven historical record that Bitcoin survived death whenever it is likely to crash, and at some point, it make new scale-ups. And there is a level of certainty that the more something survives the more its likely to persist and even grow stronger.
Bitcoin falling to $1000 and the failure isnt technical will result a sudden difficult test. However if it will continuously produce a block per ten minutes not minding the current price, the basic value proposition will still be intact.
Like you mentioned Wall Street Bros exiting, this might somehow be beneficial because the coin transfer from forced sellers to conviction buyers by high scale liquidation would be a wealth transfer, reason being that at $1000 new set of investors will eventually own a Bitcoin, and this whole scenario of massive new ownership will increase the level of decentralized holder base.
While Im of the opinion that recovery is likely, the duration shouldnt be underestimated, this is because Bitcoin has grown to a certain level whereby reducing down to $1000 will be a very massive drop, and somehow history has some record of how long recovery took when Bitcoin seem do drop to such levels. But then there is a high tendency that recovery is possible
The problem with this experiment is that it is difficult to predict the recovery part without knowing the reason for the drop (although a drop is 10%, or 30%, while 70% is a crash after a bubble and 99% is a catastrophic annihilation of the price ).
How would you define recovery?
- Entering bull run? Definitely
- Going up 100%? Definitely, it would reach $2k and that is 100% profit.
- Going back up to $120k? Unlikely. At least not for a decade.
BTW from ATH ($120k) to $1k is -99% drop not 95%.
Even though I don't really believe that the scenarios you mentioned will happen, but if we assume that it really happens and Bitcoin drops so badly more than 95% of its value, I'm sure that it will recover again because there are definitely still so many people who believe in Bitcoin and even though it causes massive fear, people who believe in Bitcoin will still buy it and make the price rise again, but maybe it will take longer because the position is only people who really believe in Bitcoin who buy it and the trust of the holders needs to be rebuilt, but for sure the price will rise again.
Since you're limiting the technical scenario, I'm 1000% confident Bitcoin can recover from a 95% crash. We only need to look at the history of dumps, which average over 84% each cycle (a rough estimate):
And each time, it recovers and reaches new record highs. Your 95% scenario is simply a more extreme version of these cycles and time will prove (again) that it remains unbeatable. The recovery may not be instantaneous in under a year, but it will certainly weed out the speculators and leave the true believers.
cobra_2015Full Member
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#10Jun 24, 2024, 08:10 AM
Of all the reasons mentioned, the potential collapse of Tether (or stablecoins in general) is the most likely cause of this price drop, as stablecoin trading and usage have become comparable to Bitcoin trading and usage.
bankruptcy of Strategy typically attracts new institutional investment. The withdrawal of Bitcoin ETFs is likely to increase investment in companies like Strategy&, and Satoshi Nakamoto doesn't appear likely to return anytime soon. A price drop to $1,000 might not signal the end of Bitcoin, provided there is a rapid recovery, as occurred during the COVID-19 pandemic.
hodler2019Legendary
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#11Jun 26, 2024, 01:11 PM
It could drop to zero is a given in the question.
What never fails to amaze me is almost every answer is it can't drop to 1k.
Too bad the op did not make it self moderated.
So since the 1000 is a given my answer is recovery would be a beast.
1000 would shoot back to 10000 easy peasy.
To all that argue 1000 is impossible in the real world I do agree that is likely to never happen but it is not part of the thought experiment.
ledger_protoFull Member
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#12Jun 26, 2024, 05:18 PM
If somehow Bitcoin down to $1000 due to panic selling, I bet it will rise again like phoenix
You know, Bitcoin's network, user base, and adoption are only growing day by day. Just because the price has plummeted the real power behind this technology will not disappear. For me, if somehow Bitcoin dip $1000 will be like getting the moon in my hand, everyone will rush to buy it. Actually no one will think of it as the end but rather as the best chance to get rich.
And yeah the crash scenarios you mentioned, like microstrategy selling everything, ETFs falling or tether catching up are all a game of human fear and sentiment. They have nothing to do with the Bitcoin protocol or its core foundation. As long as the chain or network is secure people will definitely return to stacking and trading coin
Answering two posts at the same time as their questions are related
We're of course talking about a very unlikely event, but the most likely scenario for a drop to $1000 is a multi year bear market with several of the "triggers" I mentioned in the OP (Saylor bankruptcy, US & El Salvador (?) selling ...) occurring at the same time or in a short sequence, and some may also be a consequence of this crash. For example, Terra/Luna and FTX were triggered by a price drop and deepened the 2022 bear market.
Even if we had a "normal" bear market which lasts more than 1,5 years with lower lows, it is possible that this bear goes deeper in price than what everybody expects just because of the duration of the bear. Bitcoin never experienced a multi year bear market like gold did for example, and the reaction to a 2-3 year bear could be that the sentiment turns into a "now Bitcoin isn't recovering anymore! is it dead now?" and doom prophets will have their heyday.
This is the main scenario I have for a fall to $1000. For a flash crash, $1000 is too far away, the lowest I could imagine for a "normal" crash in less than a year is maybe the FTX lows (15k$) or at most $10,000.
So there must be some extreme negative sentiment for the market to reach this price, and until that builds up, it would take some time.
But even taking this into account, $1000 may be an extreme undervaluation. It's likely in this case that every negative news event or bankruptcy triggers a new low every couple of months (e.g. from a "normal crash level of 50k" down to 30k, then 20k). Things could accelerate a bit if the FTX low from 2022 is broken (15,500$) and $10,000 could also be a point with massive liquidations and take us to $5000, and then a final liquidation wave flashcrashes down to $1000.
In such a scenario I would also expect first a fast recovery to 2-5k. Once this happens, discussions will start about if Bitcoin is really dead and what will happen. I think the recovery then depends largely on the way the community acts.
A good example for a very adversial scenario where the community was able to create organic growth is the Monero crash from 2024 when it got delisted from several exchanges. They built up decentralized swapping services and the price was able to recover and even hit a new ATH. This was only an ~80% drop but the sentiment in the community was "terminal fear" during some time.
Of course I shouldn't compare Bitcoin to an altcoin, but if Wall Street has exited, and Bitcoin recovers with a similar "community-driven development", e.g. with technologies like Lightning and decentralized exchanges being strengthened, then I see good chances that even after a $1000 crash it could quite fastly recover. Maybe conquering $10k again in a year or so, and then go to current price levels again once the sentiment becomes overwhelmingly positive. And from the current price level an ATH is only less than a doubling away.
For a "recovery" I would mean a return to the 2021-25 price range (roughly 20k-125k).
I was actually going to say NO base on the title on the voting pool because it says without any fundamentals for the fall because lets be realistic bitcoin will actually recover easily if the fall is fundamentally inclined, a fall around -99% without fundamental effect is simply saying that bitcoin network is most likely the one that closes so for that I dont see a recovery.
But for the reasons you listed above which are all fundamentals I think bitcoin will recover, in fact it will recover easily from some of the listed reasons there, example is Microstrategy liquidating that isnt far from exchanges collapsing. But should they happen all at once which if it is not impossible is highly improbable I think it will take time before the market recovers. For example the Satoshi coins getting sold at the same time that MSTR is liquidating will seriously need more years for full time recovery.
I still am with the believe that bitcoin going to $1k is only possible if we all are migrating to something better than it which for now I dont see it.
From what is mentioned, asides for n the Satoshi Bitcoin sold out that is the only reason that bitcoin could not recover from that event because of the fundamental connection between Satoshi Bitcoin holding and the trust the community have in the invisible hand that makes bitcoin uncontrollable.
If satoshi wake up and dumps his bitcoin, the entire community will lose faith in bitcoin and buying at such a price as $1000 becomes none attractive.
But aside from that, whatever you mentioned is not able to hold bitcoin down even if such a price dip is triggered, they can't hold the market down for long.
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#16Jun 27, 2024, 10:02 AM
I appreciate your detailed breakdown, youve shown a very valid picture on how a fall in liquidation is capable of technically triggering such low price.
Building on some few points you highlighted, concerning the community driven recovery and its duration to be precise, you made mention of recovery depending on how the community acts but then, while the community is like a backbone to Bitcoin, lets examine it that a fall to $1000 will now necessitate liquidation of ETFs and huge balance sheets which is different from the early days where recovery is not just about the natural growth from advocates but about finding and building trust again in the whole digital asset class for global finance. This builds a level of complexity to the recovery agenda that havent been observed in preceding cycles.
If Bitcoin falls to $1000 as a result of liquidation wave the rise to $5000 may be fast like you mentioned but then, if Bitcoin gets to such level via the triggers you stated, then we looking at a foundational move in the narrative . In such cases like history suggested, the recovery process of the price may take more time than the crashing phase took.
Building on my comment that you quoted,I think the most undermined factor here is the duration. Bitcoin falling from it current state to $1000 will be a huge historical exception. Even if at the end it rises back the conceptual damage of such crash may keep most individuals stocked in bear cycle for a long time.
Recovery is not just about hitting the target price, its also about the time taken for the view to shift from fears and anxiety back to true belief.
Like any other disaster, it could recover, but only to the extent that there would still be people who agree with its value.
What I'm concerned about is that the miners are going to suffer and collapse as hashrate increases. It could cause network issues and threaten the structural integrity of BTC.
I hope by that time, I have money to buy more BTC.
Fundamental reasons?
Well, if AAPL declines to $1 and GOOGL to $2, then bitcoin could be at $1000 or even $1 and no, it won't recover.
However, these are fantastical scenarios that are mostly meaningless.
Typically, assets that decline >99% don't recover.
10k would be tough i think. If it goes down that far the momentum will be strong enough to go down further..
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#20Jun 29, 2024, 12:35 AM
I speculate one step further. If there are no fundamental reasons like quantum or hacking or something going wrong with blockchain etc etc, if we are talking about just purely speculation, then it will NEVER go back down to 1000 dollars. Doesn't matter if satoshi comes back online and sells 1 million bitcoins in a single day. Doesn't matter if Saylor sells all his bitcoins at the same time, doesn't mean if Trump comes out and bans all of crypto ownership and trading. Bitcoin will not go to 1000 ever again unless something breaks.
Honestly, I could not figure out the purpose of this type of speculation, I mean, if we speculate about $1 million per bitcoin or 1$ per one satoshi kind of future prices and what a bitcoiner needs to do, I guess that would make a little bit sense whereas discussing on something which is impossible makes no sense except spreading FUDs.
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