What Would Happen If Bitcoin Disappeared?

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eric_foxMember
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#1Dec 2, 2019, 06:58 AM
1. Quantum Computing and the Threat to Bitcoin's Safety: One of the major threats to Bitcoin's future is the rise of quantum computing. These advanced machines could execute calculations way quicker than the computers we use today, and might crack the cryptographic methods that keep Bitcoin secure, like ECDSA the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm. If quantum computers can break into Bitcoin's security, they could expose private keys on the blockchain, leaving Bitcoin transactions open to attacks. If this happens, could we just roll out a new version of Bitcoin that has stronger security? Or would we see a totally different cryptocurrency take its place? 2. Regulatory Changes or Full Bans on Bitcoin: Another potential reason for Bitcoin's downfall is if strict regulations come into play or if it gets banned entirely by major nations. Right now, Bitcoin is legal in many regions, but if a powerhouse like the U.S., China, or an international organization such as the UN makes Bitcoin illegal, it could really hurt its value and usability. This would create massive issues for the global Bitcoin market. If Bitcoin gets outlawed, is it likely that another crypto would rise to replace it? Could a government-backed digital currency step in for Bitcoin? 3. Protocol Bugs or Hidden Security Flaws: Even though Bitcoin has been around for over ten years and has gone through a ton of tests, there’s always a chance that a serious bug or security issue could pop up in its protocol. If a critical vulnerability is discovered in the software or the Bitcoin protocol, it could jeopardize the entire system.
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anonSenior Member
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#2Dec 2, 2019, 07:08 AM
I was going to ask you that instead, what do you think about the whole point you just listed? Do they make much sense to you? All I can hear while reading through is just shit coins trying to replace bitcoin which we know it's nonsense. How do you explain what happens if a decentralised network is removed? It's not possible to take down bitcoin and if it were, the government would have work their ass up since a long time to do so.. Enough with the quantum computer stuff,, it doesn't really add up. We all putting bitcoin at the spot every time it comes to quantum computers.. If quantum computers can break bitcoin cryptography, what makes you think other shit coins would be left out? It would be a general attack on all cryptocurrency out there. We have many other coins forked from bitcoin, literally having same source code but they just will never get the attention bitcoin will have in its life time. If bitcoin disappears, I'll probably be done with crypto because any other thing that would be out their is going to be some manipulated government control shit. I'd rather avoid them all than stay under some falsely created systems created by the government to replace bitcoin.. Every thing created for good can be exploited for evil. Bitcoin will not be the first or the last to find it self in that category. No matter what purpose it serves, criminals will in one way or the other try to use it for their dubious acts. And you should know that no matter how regulated bitcoin might be in any country, that doesn't change it's decentralised nature one bit
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benledgerSenior Member
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#3Dec 2, 2019, 09:53 PM
This has been covered many many times on the forum and the consensus is that they wont post a threat. QC's wont suddenly appear and catch us all by surprise, they have to be developed, just like the defense against them will be developed. Just the same as nobody is using Commodore 64's anymore! Not going to happen anymore, maybe in the early days when Bitcoin was in its infancy a concerted global approach could have put an end to it. It would take a global approach, some countries have tried it but thats only local. The Ginie is out of the bottle now and most countries see the positive side of Bitcoin now. I think there has been bugs in the past and these have been successfully dealt with by our super Dev's Bitcoin has never been hacked to date, I dont see it likely to happen in the future. Thousands Altcoins have tried to date and failed. Yea another project can come along but its main disadvantage is that its unproven, Bitcoin however is proven, it works quite well. Nobody is going to dump their Bitcoin for some unproven potentially scam coin! As per #4 above This isnt an issue anymore, attacks on Bitcoin and the community with the "Bitcoin is used by criminals" has been used and has failed.
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0xN0nceSenior Member
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#4Dec 3, 2019, 02:03 AM
I don't know what exactly are you trying to buttress by the statement of bitcoin being removed from the market, but let me assume if you meant that only altcoins should exist, then what else should be the fate of the bitcoin network? 1. Its not possible for the main reason for cryptocurrency (bitcoin) be removed from he market, who will do that, when its a decentralized currency. 2. If peradventure it happened, then we are only left with alt currencies, which are not safe and would have been taken down before bitcoin follows. 3. Maybe if people are not using it any longer, which is imposable, the network will still remain as long as its protocols were not altered and blockchain will remain.
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w0lf404Hero Member
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#5Dec 3, 2019, 05:34 AM
1&3. The current version of the Bitcoin protocol is not the same as the version from Satoshi's time. It is constantly being improved and is always welcome to further improvements to resist threats, patch bugs, etc. Bitcoin is always the most up-to-date version. If you want a new, more "threat-resistant" version, including QC, they are even created hourly, called "altcoins". There may already be a million of them; you just need to choose one.   2&6. Bitcoin cannot be regulated or banned, but its users can. Implementing diverse regulations for a single currency is highly unlikely. Several countries have already created their own versions of digital currencies. So, Bitcoin doesn't care whether you want to use it or have a replacement; it already exists and doesn't care about you. 4&5. How could it technically disappear or lose users?
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im_altSenior Member
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#6Dec 3, 2019, 09:02 AM
there is this fear that the quantum computing will be Able to break bitcoin security that the bitcoin encryption work on there by getting to expose our private key making our asset vulnerable. but i still do not agree with that i think the Elliptical curve multiplication is not and easy way going back even with the quantum computing. and even if that happens there will be a measure that will be put in place probably an upgraded  security system that can compete with the quantum computing speed. but i do not think there will be need to create another version of bitcoin again. just an upgrade on the encryption should be  enough.
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john.gweiFull Member
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#7Dec 3, 2019, 01:16 PM
Are quantum computers created primarily to compromise bitcoin (assuming they have the capacity to be able do what they're said to), or is it just some set of persons out there selling out this fears for some yet to be unraveled reasons. Does it mean quantum computers by the high definition given doesn't also posed similar threat to centralized securities but bitcoin alone? Well, for all there is, I don't think a new cryptographic version would be called for, if centralized securities can compete ahead of it then so would bitcoin.
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max.wolfFull Member
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#8Dec 3, 2019, 04:25 PM
In my opinion, the main risk for Bitcoin is the introduction of a central bank digital currency (CBDC) and the capitulation of miners. 🙋 Governments around the world, in my opinion, aren't very fond of Bitcoin. They're more interested in creating a digital concentration camp, introducing a CBDC, and controlling people's thoughts and behavior. So where does Bitcoin fit in this situation? In my opinion, even in its current state, Bitcoin remains a very powerful tool for achieving financial independence. In my opinion, governments and intelligence agencies have no interest in the existence of such a financial instrument. The second danger is that at some point (and that point is actually very close), Bitcoin mining will become unprofitable.  We see how low Bitcoin network fees are now... And how low the price of Bitcoin is now (in the last bull cycle, it reached $69,000, and in the current one, it's barely reached $126,000)... So I'm concerned: what will happen to Bitcoin if miners stop seeing mining as a source of profit? Will they then launch a 51% attack? Will the Bitcoin network's hashrate begin to decline uncontrollably? Will this lead to talk of Bitcoin switching to a new PoS consensus algorithm? This is exactly how I envision Bitcoin's collapse: the simultaneous capitulation of miners, a conspiracy of governments, and the cowardly actions of those who ultimately made a disastrous compromise. All of this could destroy Bitcoin. And in its place will come a central bank digital currency (CBDC)... 🙎
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eric_kingMember
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#9Dec 3, 2019, 10:14 PM
At this point, what you're saying doesn't make sense, as Bitcoin has been banned by many countries, and many other shitcoins have emerged on the market, offering speed, security, and other advantages. Yet, Bitcoin remains valuable, and its price even tends to increase over time. This simply demonstrates that Bitcoin remains superior and reliable. I don't know what the future holds, but I'm fairly certain it will continue to thrive for decades to come.
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cryptobridgeSenior Member
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#10Dec 3, 2019, 11:08 PM
They are for solving complex problems and it's a threat to cryptographic encryption, there are other couple of things quantum computers can break but you know Bitcoin is too valuable, it's easy for media to do a play game thing than want to spread this media game. It's media thing but we can't afford to wait until it becomes a reality that anyone can do right in their front, if it does then there is going to be a big problem in the future but I'm sure we are not getting there, Bitcoin is safe and will be. I don't think so but you can't trust the government not to hate Bitcoin. They see it as an asset they can't control, they have tried too and see the outcome, if they can't control it they can take it away. You don't have to trust the government because they let every think the way want you too  do. However, there are other governments officials investment at stake, if something happen to them they are gong to hold the government responsible . The US also has some Bitcoin seized reserve, they are not going to sell them now..
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roguestackFull Member
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#11Dec 4, 2019, 12:33 AM
Since the introduction of money (fiat) has anything else been able to replace it till date? So what's making you think that something else will come up in the future to replace bitcoin? Bitcoin is the digital version of paper money. Since you can't replace fiat with another thing in the fiat system of money, nothing else can also replace bitcoin in the digital version of money. Bitcoin is to the digital economy what fiat is to the physical economy. Whatever that comes out in the future will be an altcoin, it will never replace bitcoin. If it is fast transaction and low transaction fee that will be the marketing strategy of that coin it can never flip bitcoin. Many coins has came up with same strategies in the past yet bitcoin has been dominating. Unless they are going to solve a problem that it's entirely different from what money can do, only then will that future coin have a chance. But if it is the same thing that fiat and bitcoin can do it won't work.
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davealphaSenior Member
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#12Dec 4, 2019, 04:10 AM
The chance of finding a devastating vulnerability in Bitcoin's code right now is extremely low and it will become much lower in the near future because Bitcoin is becoming popular, it's code is reviewed by more and more developers. It's one of the most popular open-source internet product, so, it's very secure. Believe me, Bitcoin ETFs wouldn't be accepted and billions of dollars wouldn't be flowed into Bitcoin if it wasn't very safe. BlackRock is not filled with stupid people. There will be no currency created with a similar story of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is truly the most decentralized currency because its creator is unknown and will remain so.
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d4n_f4rmMember
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#13Dec 4, 2019, 09:50 AM
Honestly I don’t see Bitcoin dying in any realistic scenario Every few years it’s the same story quantum computers bugs bans miners capitulating a new better coin coming to replace it and yet here we are. Bitcoin has already survived things that should’ve killed any normal project China bans endless altcoin waves internal wars media FUD you name it. Tech wise a critical bug or QC apocalypse is extremely unlikely. If quantum computers ever become a real threat Bitcoin won’t just sit there and do nothing. The protocol has been upgraded many times already. And let’s be real QC would break half of the internet before it kills Bitcoin. Regulation is a much more realistic risk but even that doesn’t kill the network. Worst case price tanks tourists leave and Bitcoin goes back to being a niche P2P tool for people who actually need it. It’s not the first time. The network doesn’t care about price or ETFs as long as there are nodes and miners it lives. As for a Bitcoin 2.0 I just don’t buy it. Faster and cheaper doesn’t magically make something better money. If that was the case Bitcoin would’ve been flipped years ago. You can copy code but you can’t copy history decentralization or the fact that no one owns it. My take Bitcoin won’t replace everything and it won’t disappear either. It’ll just keep doing what it always did exist adapt slowly piss off governments and outlive most hype cycles. People looking for quick gains will leave people who actually get it will stay. Bitcoin doesn’t need to win it just needs to survive and it’s very good at that.
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ape_2018Senior Member
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#14Dec 4, 2019, 12:05 PM
4. The Emergence of a New, Superior Cryptocurrency: Although Bitcoin is the first and most widely known cryptocurrency, the fast-moving tech world could introduce a better alternative. There are already altcoins like Ethereum, Solana, and Cardano that try to address some of Bitcoin's limitations. A “Bitcoin 2.0” or some other cryptocurrency with faster transactions, lower fees, and more robust security could surpass Bitcoin. If Bitcoin disappears, would another cryptocurrency rise to take its place? Could it still maintain decentralization, or would centralization be the price for improvement? If Bitcoin disappeared (highly unlikely) another might rise but it would face the same trade-offs. More features often mean more complexity and central points of failure decentralization would be the first casualty in a rush for "improvement" the network effect is Bitcoin's real moat not just the code.
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greglaserFull Member
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#15Dec 4, 2019, 04:39 PM
It's a very BIG IF, that won't happen. If the truly decentralized blockchain, with highest network hashrate and best security like Bitcoin blockchain disappears - means it dies - how will there be other blockchains (altcoin blockchains) can take over the Bitcoin blockchain place? It is impossible with not only one but TWO BIG IFs, one if from Bitcoin blockchain death, and another one with existence of such altcoin blockchain with technical capacity to replace Bitcoin blockchain. See whether any altcoin blockchains can be stronger than Bitcoin blockchain? https://howmanyconfs.com/
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chain404Full Member
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#16Dec 4, 2019, 07:57 PM
Bitcoin's reputation has been stained for so long and even until now, that can't be removed. But the thing right now is that it's massively accepted and that stain in its reputation has never been gone. Although the impression has changed ever since because the mass adoption and it has grown widely. The financial institutions that have big names in the industry have recognized it and even bitcoin is gone, these illegal transactions and activities will never be gone I guess we have no idea on how massive is the illicit transactions through fiat, digitally and physically.
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chrischainFull Member
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#17Dec 5, 2019, 11:05 PM
I do think we are on the way to see BTC unbanned in places where it previously was in such a state, because people out there understand what it may bring for them.. more taxes, new way of giving people service in trend-ish way (using BTC for your services and so on via centralized entities), and so on..
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s4t88Full Member
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#18Dec 5, 2019, 11:26 PM
Seems like another "what if" that could be impossible to happen. For the number 1, maybe it takes time before it happen, think about it that breaking a key needs thousands to millions of logical qubits and substantial error correction which is beyond current quantum hardware, but not provably impossible in future decades if Bitcoin still exist. For the number 2 and 6, yes, it already happened. But what?  No one control Bitcoin and some countries lifted the ban and embraced Bitcoin instead.
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im_apeHero Member
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#19Dec 6, 2019, 08:22 PM
Wrong. All cryptography algorithms have an expiration date when they become obsolete. It has been like this for thousands of years (even before invention of computers). When computing power grows, obviously certain algorithms become obsolete and will be replaced. Like what happened to SHA1. And it is not a threat to bitcoin, it is a threat to everything that relies on cryptography including this very site you are on. The solution is always the same, we move forward and to new algorithms. In case you missed it, a couple of years ago China banned bitcoin and apart from a very short lived panic among the weak hand newbies, nothing else happened. What you are forgetting is that bitcoin was not created to rely on centralized authorities regulating it! It was always supposed to be completely decentralized and independent of what governments say about it. Otherwise it would be failed experiment... No, the shitcoins people are bag-holding thinking they can replace bitcoin will immediately die if that happens. Wrong. All these centralized shitcoins you listed here were created to fill the pockets of their owners. This exactly why a shitcoin like Ethereum for example had a 72 million premined coins that turned Vitalik into a millionaire. It is so much easier to use the shitcoins you named above for illegal activities than it is bitcoin
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cobra2013Senior Member
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#20Dec 7, 2019, 01:06 AM
Well, just so you hear what you seem to want to hear, Bitcoin might not stay relevant for an infinite period of time. Today, it may be futuristic. A couple of centuries from now, it may grow obsolete. However, nothing on your list would make Bitcoin irrelevant save for, again, the possibility that something better comes out. It may not be within the 21st century but it might eventually come. Certainly, however, none of the altcoins mentioned poses a threat to Bitcoin's existence. Rather than looking at Bitcoin's limitations that may seem to make them better alternatives, you might want to look at their limitations that challenge their very own survival.
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