Hey everyone, happy Easter! I was thinking about something interesting the other day. It's kinda wild to picture a world that doesn't have Bitcoin in it.
Since Satoshi Nakamoto brought Bitcoin to life, it has completely transformed our view on money, trust, and decentralization. So, let’s take a moment to imagine: what if Bitcoin never existed? Would something else have taken its place? Or would we just be stuck in a totally centralized financial system?
Personally, I think that without Bitcoin, we would still have the concept of digital money, but it would probably be controlled by either the government or some central authority.
We already see many governments creating central bank digital currencies (CBDCs), and in a Bitcoin-less world, those would be the dominant systems. So instead of the decentralized landscape we have now, it would mean more regulation and way less freedom, if you ask me.
Another thought is about a potential comeback of gold, but in a digital format if Bitcoin wasn’t around. Like companies or institutions possibly issuing tokens that are backed by real gold reserves. Sounds stable, right? But there’s a huge catch you’d still need to trust whoever is issuing those tokens.
I also think, even without Bitcoin, major tech companies could have come in to fill that void. Picture a scenario where a social media platform is the one issuing money. Just think about how crazy that would be your account could be frozen for policy violations, and your financial access would depend on corporate decisions.
What would rule the crypto world if Bitcoin never came to be
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Probably e-coin, binarycoin, or something called netcoin. Satoshi wasn't some million IQ level guy. He took existing technology and had the mindset to work on it until it was near-perfect to release that solved a legitimate real world problem. See "satoshi's lesson":
My point is, something just like bitcoin made by someone that had the same willpower, work ethic, morals, and enough sense to remain anonymous and depart when the time is right. If satoshi never existed, or never made it, who knows how long or when someone like him would come around. Be glad he did, and bitcoin did, in your lifetime. Hopefully it's made your life positive in some way or another.
As for world governments, I guess they and anyone working for/with them didn't see the use in creating a cryptographic currency. They were perfectly content (and still seem to be) riding the inflationary, war-fueling, class-seperating, chaos-inducing, and stupid waves of printing money backed by air: https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
I dont believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government, that is, we cant take it violently out of the hands of government, all we can do is by some sly roundabout way introduce something that they cant stop. F.A. Hayek 1984
I agree that we'll probably see similar stuff with another name. Not sure if I'd jump directly to government-controlled digital money since those exist way back, afaik. At least I have the impression of using some apps to store my funds before Bitcoin interacts with my life. It's not suitable for removing third-party reliance for double-spending, so I bet someone will create one since the demand will always exist. I'm not a fan of imagining how things would be anyway, so that's that.
Perhaps a proof of stake cryptocurrency could have been conceived and implemented before Bitcoin, although I agree with @(BTC) that it's likely somebody connected the existing concepts at about the same time, probably before 2015.
The technical base of current Proof of Stake systems is the paper Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerance which was published in 1999.
Another system that was in development already some years before Bitcoin was Ripple. The original concept was much more decentralized than the current XRP. It probably however had technical flaws, so the people behind it recurred to a quite centralized ledger system. The Wikipedia article is actually wrong, it was not started in 2011 but was developed from about 2005 on. There was a wiki article about the intended protocol already in 2006. I admit that I originally was more interested in Ripple than in Bitcoin, but things changed
Without bitcoin you can have "digital payment" like the standard point of your grocery. Here the point.
With bitcoin there is another concept that would be not only crypto. Even the inception of the project has been unique and the basic for the success of the project.
What would be dominating if bitcoin never existed?
That's a really hard question to answer because this would imagine a new completely concept. Something really new and complex like...bitcoin itself
Making it easy, liberty reserve, egold other projects where well knonw, scamming, bugging, failing. In general these were far away from bitcoin.
It's not just marketing or whatever new terminology... definitely the "crypto" space would be have dominated by some large tech conglomerate (!).
boss_wizardSenior Member
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#6Dec 18, 2019, 12:14 PM
I'm sure you have seen all those digital wallets created by big tech companies. Those will fill the gap surely if bitcoin didn't exist. It's good that we actually have bitcoin otherwise everybody will have no choice but to stick with the centralized financial tools.
I can't imagine myself dealing with paypal and its super restrictive rules just for remittance. The entire digital finance will be a big curse upon humanity if bitcoin didn't exist.
paul.stakeHero Member
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#7Dec 18, 2019, 03:49 PM
I can imagine a Universe where someone in the position of Satoshi would have done a poorer job than Satoshi, and create an incomplete cryptocurrency. I still don't think that would be catastrophic. As more cryptocurrency ideas were implemented, the market would gradually move to the next most complete one.
But thank God Satoshi implemented cryptocurrency with fixed supply, proof-of-work, softfork compatibility and optional privacy-- all at once.
Yeah, true. Even if it wasnt perfect at first, crypto wouldve evolved, but Satoshi Nakamoto really nailed the fundamentals from the start, and thats why Bitcoin is still on top.
I think thats a big what if indeed. I cant imagine that theres no entity that would raise a decentralized approach if bitcoin nwver been created. In my opinion, there will be still coin that will come out since sooner someone will understand and learn what also Satoshi Envisions. But its a good thing that his the one started it cause we dont know what will be the end result. Maybe some would be greedy or who knows favor a centralized one unlike Satoshi did.
AtomicCipherMember
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#10Dec 20, 2019, 02:09 AM
I think well never know, since bitcoin already exists. But as they say, a vacant place never stays empty, so its quite possible that some other alternative would have been created. It could very well have been a kind of digital product that would essentially become the same as bitcoin, just under a different name. Among the existing options, its unlikely that any of them would have become the first, since most cryptocurrencies were inspired by bitcoin in the first place.
node_walletSenior Member
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#11Dec 20, 2019, 07:09 AM
If Bitcoin were not in existent I'm sure that by now or anytime in the near future some geniuses would created something similar because of technological advancements either better or not up to the standard of Bitcoin. I'm sure that when Satoshi created Bitcoin there were other great minds that had similar ideas but probably didn't know how to actualize it and Satoshi beat them to it. Maybe we can see other decentralized coins with limited supply in the future that can rival Bitcoin but Bitcoin will forever be the original. What I wonder sometimes is if Bitcoin will still be a store of value or become obsolete like in the next 50 years or thereabout.
There were Ponzi schemes all over the internet as of 2010 to 2018. MMM was the mega Ponzi Scheme in the time when bitcoin was coming up or when I first heard of bitcoin so it would been different kinds, I was even afraid to join this forum at first. Bitcoin came to save us from them so if bitcoin was not existing, there would be no digital cryptocurrency because the idea of cryptocurrency came from bitcoin in this dispensation. Bitcoin was the first cryptocurrency and others copied the idea from Satoshi Nakamoto. That is why others are call altcoins and not maincoins. But there would have been some kind of Ponzi Scheme investments in the world. All hail the king bitcoin in the cryptocurrency space.
In 2009, I was very young. However, I had a very inquisitive mind, and I really wanted to get rich (which, by the way, I never achieved, but that's another story). 🙋
I decided I needed to spend more time with smart people. And ask each of them one question: "What new opportunities for making money do you see?" I posed these questions to several people and received their answers. One very wise entrepreneur paused for a moment and then said to me: "I think a new innovative technology will soon emerge at the intersection of finance and information technology."
At that moment, I didn't fully understand the true meaning of his words. And after some time, I stopped asking smart people such questions altogether. I was young, frivolous, and much more interested in beautiful women than in hypothetical new innovative technologies at the intersection of finance and information technology.
However, now I recall his words, and his description seems very similar to Bitcoin! That's why I'm certain Bitcoin would have been created anyway (with or without Satoshi Nakamoto's help). The idea of decentralized technological money was, figuratively speaking, "in the air."
john.cobraHero Member
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#14Dec 21, 2019, 07:35 PM
What would happen if Bitcoin didn't exist is a question to which there is no clear answer, we can only speculate. Perhaps today there would be no cryptocurrencies at all, or someone else would invent something similar to Bitcoin, but perhaps not as ingenious and unique as what exists today. We should take into account that before Bitcoin there were some ideas and that many people tried to do something similar, and that some projects were launched and failed, while others remained only in theory.
However, Satoshi's vision of a decentralized cryptocurrency has very few advocates today, certainly not people like Saylor who accumulate coins or ETFs that are just machines for possible profit. But even if only a small percentage of people use Bitcoin as a currency and it helps them in their daily lives, we cannot say that Bitcoin has failed.
If Bitcoin hadn't existed, we wouldn't have known what the leading slide in the crypto space today would be. It might be having a place where crypto is controlled by the government, a less anonymous and less decentralized way of trading in crypto, if there were to be one.
That said, the crypto world we are seeing as digital gold will be centralized, and the idea of individuals becoming rich through it, will be minimal, and mostly scams. Hardly will it be for millions of people to trust the crypto space to be where they can be financially liberated without falling victim to scams
Having the understanding that Bitcoin is the main idea behind cryptocurrency and what caused it to exist after the first success we had, maybe by now there wouldn't have been anything called cryptocurrency without having Bitcoin first, this is my idea anyway because it was after the creation of Bitcoin that every other altcoin emerged, many are even interested in cryptocurrency all because of Bitcoin
Asking about what if like this is unrealistic and I don't think it is necessary.
Before Bitcoin, people created other projects and if Satoshi Nakamoto did not create Bitcoin project, there will be other people create other projects with other names. These projects can succeed like Bitcoin or fail like previous projects before Bitcoin or altcoin projects after Bitcoin. But with continuous developments, human society will figure out ways to build up a successful project even without Satoshi Nakamoto.
Bitcoin prehistory.
ryan_orbitFull Member
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#18Dec 23, 2019, 11:50 AM
Something that never happened may be difficult to imagine, but what would happen if Bitcoin never existed? This is an interesting question because Bitcoin represents the perfection of the process towards financial freedom. If Bitcoin had never been created, we might have seen other coinbases created with centralized financial systems and less privacy, similar to the systems that existed before. No one knows for sure what would have happened if Bitcoin had never been created, or even if a similar system were built, there would still be significant differences.
Fortunately Bitcoin was created to give us access to financial freedom and this is how we can access greater privacy than the existing system. That's why we now see Bitcoin continue to grow and develop, resulting in wider adoption because this asset has unique advantages that we never experienced before.
Believe this that the name Bitcoin is not really what makes bitcoin unique. What actually makes bitcoin unique is the fact that by it whole structure, it possess things that jointly makes what it currently represents at the moment.
If Santoshl didn't come up with bitcoin and another buddy tagged a system that runs the way bitcoin does as bitcoin, it's certain that it will gain as much acceptance as bitcoin has gotten at this point. But then, we have to give credit to Satoshi and bitcoin for being the Brian behind bitcoin
Every other person can think of a thing as bitcoin and it wouldn't make any difference, it's only the one that's bold enough to bring his idea to life that's the real MVP and for that, Satoshi is the man.
Yes, the only decentralized digital currency to be proposed, developed, and flourish was Bitcoin. It's a good thing that Satoshi combined the mistakes of earlier centralized/decentralized digital currencies before BTC such as egold in 1996 which was later shut downby US government in 2008, Hashcash by Adam Back in 1997, B-money which was introduced by Wei Dai in 1998 but never implemented, and Bit Gold which was never fully built by Nick Szabo in 1998 to create BTC.
Digital currencies central banks will never flourish in a world without Bitcoin because the government continues to make the same mistakes by using 2% inflation, and no one ignore the root of an issue and find a solution to the issue. In opposition to any type of fiat currency, people will search for an alternative that's in a world without Bitcoin.