Are Crypto Investments Challenging Traditional Business Norms?

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st4cks4tsFull Member
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#1Dec 13, 2024, 10:08 AM
When it comes to investing in businesses, one key factor is the track record. We usually check things like revenue history, market position, and product stability. Basically, we want to see proof that a business model has worked over time. For newer or less stable companies, we typically look for stronger fundamentals or a clear competitive advantage to make the investment risk more palatable. This is why traditional finance relies on audited performance and operational transparency to lessen uncertainty and boost investor confidence. But in the crypto world, especially with altcoins, the standards seem to flip upside down. We’ve seen tons of projects get launched without much operating history or even a solid roadmap, and sometimes the transparency is pretty sketchy. Yet, despite all that, money keeps pouring in... I’m not here to criticize or defend this trend, just pointing out the difference. Is it all about the potential for huge returns, a belief in the tech behind it, or is it just fueled by community hype? I’ve been pondering whether this means we need to rethink what “fundamentals” really mean in a decentralized space. What do you all think?
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chad100Senior Member
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#2Dec 13, 2024, 12:25 PM
You are describing a 20th-century stock market model. In the 21st century, major indices are driven by frontier technologies that almost always operate at a loss initially. Look at social media, search engines, Tesla, or Amazon—their profitability wasn't obvious at the start. Today, we see the same with AI. The crypto market follows this exact logic: it's a bet on the future. Unfortunately, many altcoins failed to deliver, leaving 90% of the market trading below 2021 levels. Even most "Class of 2025" tokens are currently underwater. However, my personal strategy remains profitable. I save 8% on overhead by accepting crypto payments through the Cryptomus gateway, and I’m earning 20% APY on stablecoins via the Tron network, plus steady gains from arbitrage. I’m not worried about altcoin drama as long as Top 30 projects stay active. Keep an eye on the Canton network—I believe RWA (Real World Assets) is the next narrative that will truly explode as the world migrates to the blockchain.
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max_lynxSenior Member
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#3Dec 13, 2024, 06:27 PM
i think crypto traders or investors have just more appetite for risks. it is true that the higher the risk, the higher the returns as well. i do think bitcoin has something to do with it. people are trying to look for the next bitcoin and so if they have to trust a system that hasn’t been well proven before then they’ll take that chance if it means it could grow as much as bitcoin in the future.
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cipher404Full Member
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#4Dec 13, 2024, 11:32 PM
Okay I think crypto do follow different patterns or logic, for crypto people do price possibility way more than proof which means that some do go after crowd while some tech vision and some people go after big wins or massive returns that could change there lives. It still has it's fundamentals rather the things that changed is the meaning, so the token design community strength and speed of adoption has already been replaced by long track record and we all know that with this the risk is very high but this risk is one of thee things that keeps people coming. Or let me say attract more people
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king2011Full Member
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#5Dec 16, 2024, 12:40 AM
I think your altcoin described phenomena is an intersection or symptom of new technology meet with gen Z or young generation's desire for instant rich mobility. Altcoin investment surge due to acceleration of wealth / status expectation on society, everyday people consume and crammed of instant wealth, multiple return, billion profit in one night, financial freedom narative in young age and last hack or early adopter tobe billioner. All this naratives creates expectation that wealth is not an accumulation of long work and can be achieved in one bull cycle. New generation face situation with slow economic condition such as wage stagnation, continuous inflation, living paycheck to paycheck, it makes traditional way of work hard, live minimum, do saving too slow and beyond hope, in their mind alt coin offering golden ticket, low barrier, and extrem potential surge of wealth. So altcoin / crypto can be solution and shortcut to jack up social mobility. Asymnetric upside combined with instact expectation is a collateral damage, young investor forget about overconfidence bias, survivorship bias, and success bias and easily think that if its multiple, my life will change if lost than letas try again, like lottery think with technology coverage. I see altcoin as community based narative building movement not only asset and its create social pressure, when its play everything about fundamental of investing screwed, Investor forget about analysis, data and revenue because prioritize belief, vision and hope.
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nickprotoFull Member
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#6Dec 16, 2024, 01:09 AM
This might be part of the reason the current economy is not doing so well. Private investors giving loans to prop up companies that are new and innovative and those companies uskngbthat money to print shares and keep the share price stable or steady so they can pay back the loans and not default. Meanwhile all the new money entering the company is either via a loan or via a stock selloff. A lot of IPOs do well and the price of the stock collapsed afterwards or at some point because the IPO don't have that much historical information to go off and they're normally overhyped and marketed well. There are a lot of safer places in crypto where 3-7% interest on fiat is fairly guaranteed though. I've not seen a reliable higher percentage be offered except from dexes where some impermentnst loss or similar can occur.
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oracle365Full Member
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#7Dec 16, 2024, 05:36 AM
Crypto is a modern development, it is normal to see that it does not function under the same rules as other traditional business or investments. If you must approach investment in crypto, it must be done with caution and the mindset to not expect some traditional characteristics. This mindset should not make you to take unnecessary risk and ignore the advice to always do your research before investing in any cryptocurrency that is new and even the old ones. Research will help make sure you are not investing wrongly.
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st4cks4tsFull Member
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#8Dec 16, 2024, 11:19 AM
Yea i think they do too, because the frequency of the projects coming up just goes to show either this heavy trust or like you said they are probably hoping for the next Bitcoin but still it is just something i spotted and i just wanted to share my thoughts on it. even the user base is different, like traditional projects have users who use the product after it launches and is trusted but in Crypto the users are the ones already hyping the projects before it even launches, it is just a crazy shift in everything, userbase and even investors.
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max23Member
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#9Dec 17, 2024, 04:13 PM
This industry is still new so it is very natural that there is a lot of hype and symptoms that are not in accordance with the existing industry, because the discipline is not yet well regulated in this industry, there is still a lot of fraud, manipulation and others in this industry, even so, money is still coming in, yes you are right that we must rely on research to look for a better direction in investment assets in crypto as a way to anticipate fatal errors and loss of money, we must have the basics of knowledge on how to sort out good and bad projects to be used as investment places.
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jake365Full Member
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#10Dec 17, 2024, 08:19 PM
Reason is ignorance about blockchain and smart chain, and what they can actually can do. Masses seem to think that they can be implemented to anything and fix anything, when in most cases they don't make any sense. And because of misconception, they think that block chain tech has more untapped potential to monetize then it actually has. So they see only growth. And all of it is happening on the waves that bitcoin is making. Other reason is greed. When you see overnight millionaires coming from this space, it attracts ton of people just like casinos do. People like gambling, so why wouldn't they like investing that resembles gambling?
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#11Dec 18, 2024, 04:05 PM
Altcoins are just another regular market for financial speculation. Making a profit from speculation is possible only in conditions of volatility, artificially creating "chaos" to make it seem as if the markets behave "spontaneously". In fact, all markets are managed, because the beneficiaries of this entire system must always be guaranteed to win (make a profit). The Markets are just a giant global casino with a House Advantage. Well, altcoins have very short horizons, so the asset pump takes place without a clear fundamental, which is simply replaced by emotions and inflated expectations ("No time to explain!", "Just buy!").
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#12Dec 18, 2024, 05:25 PM
People are looking for some of the things you mentioned in your first paragraph, but the crucial word which you entirely missed is profitability. That is the single objective of every business - to make money for the owners. All of the things you mentioned are auxiliary or serving that purpose. Bitcoin does not generate profits like a business, nor does most crypto, it was originally designed as a currency to help facilitate trade and some people are able to extract a profit from it by judging price movements. That is the extent of it, although the Blockchain may have practical uses for building a transparent transaction chain.
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0xChadFull Member
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#13Dec 18, 2024, 05:49 PM
All gambles ever made have asymmetric upside framing if you squint at them the right way. And that is not I think conviction. I think that's people that missed out on an earlier entry point and are now, quietly, panicking, and calling it strategy. "Strategy" is an official-sounding word than "panic." Which, that's just human. We've always run after opportunity this way tulips railroads dot-coms tokens asset changes and the psychology doesn't. And there's something almost comforting about that if one isn't currently losing money in it. You asked if this is a redefining what the fundamentals are in a decentralized context. I think yes, partially yes. Trustless infrastructure does push the point of due diligence to a different place.
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jake_gweiSenior Member
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#14Dec 19, 2024, 12:09 AM
These are speculation wrapped in investment. Not really an investment but more of a gamble on hype. Fairly speaking even in traditional business, people raising money with just proposal, something that you might consider as selling paper. It's roughly the same thing in altcoin except it's a little bit wilder. They are willing to invest to undoxxed people proposing for just proposing a whitepaper that isn't even a product ready yet to speculate on their tokens that isn't entitled to receive dividend.
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nova_2019Senior Member
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#15Dec 19, 2024, 01:45 AM
Dude, you are comparing investing in stocks with pump-and-dump shitcoin rug pull scams. What else do you expect? The money "flows aggressively" because those pump-and-dump speculative investors want to make some fast money by riding the wave and selling at a higher price to the suckers, who will end up with a bunch of worthless shitcoins, when the fake hype is over and the prices crash. This has nothing to do with traditional stock investing, where the investors analyze a company's revenue and profits, before making a decision to invest. It's pointless to compare a normal and regulated financial market, with the unregulated shitcoin "scam paradise".
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johnkingSenior Member
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#16Dec 19, 2024, 03:37 AM
Investors decide to take risks and invest in an unknown project because of the high profit. They don't care about the history or the stability of the projects since it has been projected by its promoters to bring quick and high returns. Others who have invested were driven by promotional hype from well-known celebrities or influencers or even politicians. These days it is common to see well-known people partner or support altcoins that promise to make people instantly rich. Some are aware of the Ponzi scheme nature of altcoins. However, they want to be the first to invest and take profit. Sometimes this strategy works, while in some cases, they lose their money. We will not stop seeing these shady project until people become aware that the crypto industry is not a quick money-doubling sector.
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gmfrensFull Member
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#17Dec 19, 2024, 03:44 AM
The question you should then ask is what becomes of those coin in the long run? because of some factors that is associated with how certain coin comes into the market, it is possible that it attract investors and some profit from it while others might experience loss in the same vain which is still the issue with what is associated with an asset or thing that does not have good track record. Bitcoin for instance is still relevant till the present because it has good track record in the long run and overtime, investors have seen that regardless of the DIP, there is a high certainty that their will be an eventual recovery.
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s4t88Full Member
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#18Dec 19, 2024, 07:53 AM
I tend to agree with this and that's the common reason. Just because of technological belief, IMO.  These could be due to decentralization and trustless governance that can create value even without conventional operating histories.  Another option could be just to have strong community support. So my question is, what do you think drives it most, the lure of asymmetric returns, belief in the technology, or the power of community? It's more about gambling to me than investing in altcoins. If you can see, out of thousands that have launched, only a few of them have survived. How can we predict which is the right one?
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SilentYieldSenior Member
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#19Dec 19, 2024, 09:28 AM
Previously it was a wild understanding because crypto investment was considered strange, there was no physical activity like a company working to make a product and it had value and could be used every day like a company product, but in my opinion the crypto business model is a new model that is happening in Indonesia, now it can be integrated with the real sector where several projects do have business operations.
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just_sageFull Member
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#20Dec 19, 2024, 11:21 AM
Money flowing into altcoins especially new projects is primarily driven by greed, people are anxious to gate rich overnight that s why they throw money here and there in search of 100x profits. Not many people even do basic research on the projects they want to invest in, they rely solely on the community and social media hypes and believes that such is enough to pump whatever token that comes out of it. In the end mist people get roasted very badly. I will only recommend Bitcoin for major investment, every other thing should be treated like gambling because that is what they are if not worse.
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