Bismuth is super rare, but it's priced way lower than Silver and Gold. I read on Wikipedia that its abundance is almost on par with Silver. Since Silver has skyrocketed recently, could Bismuth follow suit? Or am I just dreaming here?
I’d love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Bismuth: A hidden treasure?
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Bismuth is not rear its just given less attention as compared to the other metals like silver and gold thats due to it low industrial demand, and it is mostly produced as by product of refining other important metals like tin, lead etc. that one of the reason it demand are low industrial the market and mining industries. With this fact mentioned I dont think its will do greatly like the silver and gold because this metal has been known since 16th century and yet not given that attention.
its_cipherSenior Member
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#3Dec 5, 2022, 07:10 PM
Where is bismuth used? All I know is that it is used in medicines to treat gastritis and stomach ulcers (I even took it myself). Silver is used in solar panels, platinum, and palladium as catalysts not only in cars with internal combustion engines, but also in chemical production. Gold is a protective asset. But I find it difficult to give examples of the demand for bismuth in the industry. Maybe low-melting alloys or solders? It's a dubious investment anyway.
Okay because something or material is rare that don't means it's don't have value in the Market, because what brings price up is on how people do need it and how useful the thing is in the industries. The reason why silver benefits, it's has this strong demand in the world of jewelries, in technology aspect and we shouldn't for about the investing aspect too, these makes the the interest rate high.
As for bismuth we think it's rare but still yet it do have limited use of it everyday and the attention investors give to it is low, so with the price change or the market fluactuating it will only make it slower and more stable. I think it will make it to have value with time
Gig4L3dgerMember
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#5Dec 8, 2022, 04:57 AM
This is correct, its value really depends on the use of materials. You can't compare them just based on supply. You have to consider how people use them and how usable they are for them to become more valuable over time. There are also predictions that even copper will increase in value due to current net demand, but no significant change is yet apparent. You should also note that, apart from their uses, gold and silver are considered long-term investments, so it is not surprising that their value has increased.
john.cobraHero Member
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#6Dec 8, 2022, 05:12 PM
An interesting metal, but as things stand, nothing more than that, considering that there is more than enough of it at the moment to satisfy all needs. As far as I can see, the biggest producer is China, which means that they dictate the price, but some other countries like Canada, Bolivia and Mexico also mine it.
Bismuth Crystals are something special because they look very beautiful, and as such they are used in jewelry making and for various decorations.
Bismuth
even though bismuth is rare, its actually quite easy to locate them since theyre mined during the process of mining other abundant metals. their processing costs are also not high. the only reason why its now expensive is because china has been limiting their trade. it can still change over years but if youre not from china, bismuth will definitely be an expensive one.
Bismuth is used in Electric fuses, Cosmetics and medicine.
Basically that the most common use of Bismuth that most people know, even though Silver is much more important and more expensive than Bismuth, the fact that it is more rarer than silver doesnt make it expensive because Silvers are more useful to human than Bismuth..the demand is really much especially in this era and for Bismuth I dont see the demand for it increasing that fast but it is increasing a bit slower and steady, so we cant actually say if its an good investment anyways, but if an investor is ready to investment in it for long..17-20 years or more maybe it might reach the price of silver today! because I dont see the demand that much, its just expected to grow by 5% in the next eight years.
Which is it? You make it sound super rare in your first few words, yet then compare it to the same levels as silver, which is quite abundant if you were to simply look at the cost versus gold. I know nothing about that particular element but there are plenty of others like platinum which has a greater chance of tracking gold. It's the end usage and properties of the metal that feed into it's rarity, not just the quantity that exist on the planet. Silver and gold have plenty of properties that mean they can be used in a range of things - from jewelry to electronics. What exactly does Bismuth offer? As an investor you have to always be analyzing and comparing against other things, but you don't seem to have done the slightest bit of research beyond stumbling across a chemical element that is new to you.
There are tons of metals some tend to be hidden because it's distinctive value and features isn't known but that doesn't make them different from the other rest of metals like the wide known ones. It could be rare but there are properties that are yet to be figured out which can as well make it emerge just like silver and the rest. Moreso most of this hidden metals are remains uncertain till it's been discovered.
humblefarmSenior Member
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#11Dec 12, 2022, 11:35 AM
China appears to be dominating every aspect of the rare earth metals industry. While the EU and other countries would be considering the environmental effects of exploring these resources, China is busy gaining control over the market.
https://mcgroup.co.uk/researches/bismuth
Some analysts predict that due to the low toxicity, high density, and superior thermal conductivity, the Bismuth market will keep growing.
Other factors like limited supply and the emergence of substitute materials would also determine the price in the future but the market is projected to have an annual growth of 5.8%.
https://www.datainsightsmarket.com/reports/bismuth-258392
I was just making reference to what is written on Wikipedia. Apparently, Bismuth is almost as rare as Silver. To be honest with you, I've never known about Bismuth until now. It got my attention after looking at the periodic table of elements. I did a quick search on Google, and found out many bismuth pieces with a nice "rainbow" (colored) effect. Never thought Pepto-Bismol had bismuth in it (please excuse my ignorance).
Perhaps, one of the reasons why Bismuth isn't as valuable as Silver is because of its lack of real use cases. AFAIK, Bismuth's uses are very limited compared to Silver. This explains why demand is so low for the metal (and price, too). Markets have gone crazy recently due to rising geopolitical tensions and heightened economic uncertainty. Who knows? Maybe Bismuth will experience a huge uptick in price. That's a big "IF" because of the reasons mentioned earlier. We'll see what happens in the long run.
The Bismuth market is majorly controlled by China and is currently valued between $450 million and $510 million, with a potential to have more steady growth trajectory.
One primary reason why am even interested in this post is the fact that we may see lead being replaced fully with Bismuth with both healthcare and pharmaceutical companies in need of more supply of it, also in advanced engineering all due to its unique physical properties like low melting point and high density.
Bismuth's future as a hidden gem that has a great potential of rising and competing with silver on the international market isn't just about growth, but about criticality with good potential return for investors.
https://www.strategicmarketresearch.com/market-report/bismuth-market?hl=en-
paul_omegaFull Member
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#14Dec 14, 2022, 12:48 PM
I had to look it up as it isnt something Im very familiar with and I find it very beautiful and colorful, clearly something that would do more in the beauty industry as jewelries but, thats not enough for valuation. Good and Silver serves their purpose not just because of its rarity but, they can exist in only one form as finished products. Following the ornamental colors Bismuth is adorned with, it certainly has variants of appearance which doesnt make it a lot special like the Gold and Silver counterparts and the purpose for which it can be used isnt quite elaborate.
Bismuth Is a rear metal.
What matters is the demand. Not just for metals the success rate of an object is dependant on the demand rate, if the demand rate is much, the it will be more scarce or it will need more work to get more therefore making its price increase.
Now silver historically was recognised as money in the old days, and it has a very solid foundation in terms of recognition, so the demand of it Is high,
Meanwhile Bismuth was not really recognised even if it is rear, so the demand is not as high.
Note: rear does not mean value, high demand does
I feel like it's a long shot given the timeline. It took Silver so long to run up, and I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
This would happen if the following factors were to be satisfied
The investment marketResearch on eco-friendly materials Bismuth applications on semiconductors
Since there are no current investment trades, unlike Au and Ag, it might not serve as a hedge against inflation.
So far, I haven't heard of any way to invest in Bi. If there is, I might, but I might find ways to get Pt too.
lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#17Dec 16, 2022, 11:32 AM
The answer you seek lies in the chart, is there any for this bismuth because this is the first time I am hearing about it, chart is what will give you the answer, something as valuable as it is, if the chart is not getting any attention it deserves them that's a big opportunity.
Metal had it's time though, but it doesn't matter because sooner or later the time will come again, silver and gold are already going down, I doubt there are still runs left for metals.
I will keep this on my radar because I don't have any metal in mind as interest and I have been looking for a way to start adding metal to my portfolio in the near future.
It is an excellent point yet the rarity is not the price determinant of a metal. Silver is not only appreciated by the supply, but is low in demand by the investors, is referred to as a safe haven, and a highly traded commodity. Bismuth is largely an industrialised metal though, and its price is more specified in industry than on speculation in the market. It may not attain the unimaginable spurt associated with silver without a significant interest in investing in it.
This is my view that in order to see bismuth skyrocket, there must be a significant new application that increases overall demand at the world level. Otherwise, it stands a high chance of remaining a niche commodity as opposed to a precious metal competitor. Therefore it is not impossible but predicting its similarity to silver may be more of a stretch than a passing trend.
ryan_orbitFull Member
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#19Dec 16, 2022, 04:47 PM
This is my first time hearing of this metal and for it to be compared to silver means it is a very valuable metal. Why it is not so popular and also in high demand is because of its not so in demand for industrial use and purposes. A metal that is rare to get is usually in high demand more when needed for industrial purposes, but bismuth is still going to come in handy soon as it is being compared more to silver. It may take sometime but when the demand gets higher, itll become more valuable and in demand like never before.
nova_satoshiMember
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#20Dec 18, 2022, 02:55 AM
Bismuth is indeed a rare metal but its use is only in low grade industrial metals. It has no competition with silver. Silver is used in many things. People use it for investment jewelry industry and many other things. If bismuth were equal to silver the price of bismuth would also skyrocket like silver. But both have different prices. Bismuth has its own importance. It is very important in medicine. I will say that if bismuth and silver are in the same quantity people are demanding more silver due to which its price is going up.
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