Collapse of the Russian Economy: A Financial Crisis

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WildF4rmFull Member
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#1Mar 22, 2017, 04:34 AM
The military sector in Russia is no longer boosting the economy, and now the country is staring down financial disaster and rising costs. For the first time in over three years of military action in Ukraine, the Russian military-industrial complex has lost its status as the main economic driver. Production of tanks, armored vehicles, and metal goods has drastically decreased: in September, the drop was between 6% and 20%. Rosstat is hiding the true extent of the crisis, but even the official numbers are shocking: GDP growth has come to a halt, budget income is down by 21%, and the deficit is five times what was expected. Starting January 1, the Kremlin plans to hike VAT to 22% and cut benefits for small businesses, basically draining funds from the middle class to fund the war efforts. Business owners are shutting down, and Putin seems to have lost control over even the food industry. Gazprom is passing its losses on to the public, the Ministry of Finance is slashing budgets, and the new US sanctions against Rosneft and Lukoil are cutting Russia off from the Indian market. China remains the only significant buyer, but on October 30 in Busan, Trump and Xi will talk about the future of Russia without its presence at the table. When a country at war can't even keep its armed forces running, it's way beyond a crisis it’s a full-blown financial collapse. To avoid becoming just a puppet of China, Russia has a single option: end the war and save the economy. But what path will Russia take, considering that putting an end to the conflict in Ukraine is incredibly risky for both Putin and his regime?
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ColdAlphaSenior Member
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#2Mar 22, 2017, 10:25 AM
often proclaimed nut never realized. How many times over the Russian state collapsed I cannot remember. That apart countries don't collapse they just default on payments.
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sam.bullSenior Member
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#3Mar 22, 2017, 10:33 AM
It seems the world is crumbling and can't keep up with the rise in inflation. Not versed in how Russia economy is runned but from little information I have about other countries Especially the US, uncertainty and economy instability ois already creeping in Hence why the Gold Rush few weeks ago. People are searching for safe haven.
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WildF4rmFull Member
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#4Mar 24, 2017, 07:03 PM
Countries aren't collapsing? Russia is now confidently following the path of the Soviet Union. The USSR also seemed mighty and invincible, but in 1991 it disintegrated into a number of independent states and disappeared from the map. With the war in Ukraine now in its fourth year, the Putin regime has gone too far: it can no longer end it in an acceptable way, nor can it continue for long. Any realistic way out of this situation is dangerous both for the regime and for Russia as a whole. Therefore, the further disintegration of the Russian Federation into independent states, which now clearly see the weakness of the central government, no longer seems unrealistic (and the Russian Federation currently has 89 federal subjects – 24 republics, 9 territories, 48 regions, 3 federal cities, 1 autonomous region, and 4 autonomous okrugs). After all, the Russian Federation continues to be a colonial empire and a prison for peoples who are forced to hand over all their resources, including oil and gas, to the Kremlin. There's another crazy, but not entirely improbable, scenario. Putin sees that he's looming defeat in the war against Ukraine. He doesn't want to lose, but he could very well accept a loss to the collective West. To achieve this, he could also attack NATO member states. The weakest among them are the Baltic states – Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Therefore, Russia has recently been staging provocations by invading European NATO countries with warships, aircraft, and drones, thus testing Europe's ability to repel military aggression. The results have satisfied Putin quite well. Europe is currently unprepared to defend itself, especially against inexpensive drones. Realizing this, Europe is now actively arming itself and preparing for an inevitable war with Russia. Therefore, the Kremlin now faces a choice: attack immediately or face a prepared enemy later. But ultimately, the outcome is a losing one for Russia. Putin is only looking for ways to justify the outcome of the war he unleashed, and losing to the collective West, not to Ukraine, seems like the way out for him.
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CyberTokenSenior Member
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#5Mar 24, 2017, 09:47 PM
This won't help them much because increasing VAT decreases revenue from income tax. If you have a stream and there's a certain amount of water flowing, you can only redirect some of it somewhere else, but you won't increase the total volume. If you make people pay more VAT, you increase price of all goods and services, making people buy less. This decreases the revenue from sales by business owners, and this as a result will lead to these guys paying less income tax and possibly considering layoffs. High VAT is bad for economy, especially when the country is already struggling. Probably they'll keep fighting hoping that Ukraine runs out of people before Russia runs out of money and weapons. That's how things are looking right now. Ukraine is getting weapons and ammo from the West, but has less and less people willing to fight, while Russia has a lot of meat to throw at Ukrainians, but running out of supplies, especially vehicles and fuel for them.
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SwiftOrbitSenior Member
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#6Mar 25, 2017, 03:00 AM
As far as I remember, the war between Russia and Ukraine broke out in February 2022. Then, the United States and the EU imposed a series of sanctions on the Russian economy such as restricting exports, freezing assets, removing Russia from the SWIFT system and capping oil prices...It can be said that the EU has imposed millions of sanctions on the Russian economy. The EU then declared that the Russian economy was exhausted and would soon collapse, their arsenals were depleted, and they would soon have to sit at the negotiating table...blah...blah...blah. But the war has entered its fourth year and they are still the same. Russia still has the upper hand on the battlefield and has always had the upper hand in peace negotiations. OP, I and everyone here do not support war, and this war needs to end. But to end the war, we need a real solution and hopefully leaders will soon find common ground. Spreading fake news or badmouthing each other is not the solution, it doesn't help and even causes more hatred and division.
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ColdAlphaSenior Member
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#7Mar 25, 2017, 03:25 AM
Nope they don't collapse, they crumple and loose control. Economically they just default.
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king2011Full Member
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#8Mar 25, 2017, 07:13 AM
I don't think Russia will ever collapse. The global oligarchy will maintain controlled chaos to maintain their dominance. They want Russia to be a balancing pole against US and NATO hegemony. Without Russia, the world will return to unipolarity. Mackinder's 1919 Theory Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island; who rules the World-Island commands the world. Besides Russia's strategic geopolitical position in the Heartland, it is an irreplaceable supplier of energy and strategic metals (uranium, titanium, oil) in the global supply chain. If Russia were to collapse, the entire global military and energy industry would be paralyzed. A closed alliance with China has made Russia a chaos creator, with an agenda of dedollarization through the practice of a shadow economy system. Without Russia, there would be no multipolar world; no one would force the global system to adapt to a multipolar reality. Russia and China have already established a non-dollar reserve system, where the value of energy and gold is used to back cross-border digital assets. Ensuring Russia's survival is essential for a smooth dedollarization process. Russia's trump card against collapse is its gold reserves and hidden assets, which serve as shadow collateral for the ruble and energy trade. China's umbrella will prevent Russia from falling, backing up the consolidation of China's global agenda. Finally, the global elite has economic interests in Russia, namely its dependence on Russian energy and minerals. Most crucial at this moment is Putin's role. I believe he is a great leader both as Russia's president and as a skilled negotiator in the shadow economy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
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jake.seedFull Member
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#9Mar 25, 2017, 09:33 AM
You have brought up good reasons to why Russia economy will collapse but I still see them all as speculations, am already foreseen circumstance from them that can be tackled and dealt with before it gets that bad. Russia has been in war since 2022, they’re not looking like a country that is trembled by threat or sanctions. Even in the battlefield with a lot of support for Ukraine from the US, they still stand at a better chance of getting victory in the war. Let’s face the reality, Russian financial economy won’t collapse now and if at all anything will warrant that, I trust Putin to pilot the affairs into making that now happen.
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yield_ninjaFull Member
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#10Mar 25, 2017, 03:42 PM
I don't know but i just feel this is a smear campaign against Russia, I've heard stories of this nature flying before now ever since the war between Russia and Ukraine broke out, however there have been series of Sanctions against Russia, yet the destructive side and the people hit with worse economic situation and war situation is the Ukraine, I've not seen any physical destruction of lives and properties of Russia since the it started, how truthful can it be to say that the Russian economy is in crisis, although I know they might have faced challenges due to those sanctions. But at this point, I think campaigns of such nature will not help the situation, there should be deliberate effort by EU and other unions to help broker peace, the bad blood the war has created is enough already.
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#11Mar 25, 2017, 04:27 PM
The Russian economy is still standing but severely damaged. As the war drags on, the sustainability of the economy is diminishing. However, it cannot be said that Russia has faced significant economic hardship since the war began. Of course, due to sanctions, Russia's maneuverability in the economy has decreased. It would be wrong to call this situation a complete collapse. Russia continues to trade energy, but most of its companies face restrictions. Its biggest ally, China, does not want Russia to lose economically and will always provide indirect support to Russia in this regard. If the war continues, structural weaknesses may be seen in the long term, but if Russia gets what it wants from this war, things may turn in Russia's favor.
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RogueMoonFull Member
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#12Mar 25, 2017, 08:50 PM
Yes, it can be quite strange, but the point is also actually reasonable. Russia has long operated its economy under the cloud of war, but military production alone cannot sustain it. Operating with a budget dependent on weapons like tanks is never sustainable as a technology or business. Economic collapse is certain in this scenario. Like raising the VAT rate to 22% and destroying small businesses, all of which are effectively reducing the middle class to the lower class just to cover the costs of a failed war. In my analysis, Putin is in a really sad situation - he fears losing power after the war and furthermore can't handle it going anywhere without destroying the economy. you know, Putin is now boxed in, he cannot end the war without losing power, on the other hand he cannot continue this war without destroying the economy,,, either way his game is over...
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WildF4rmFull Member
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#13Mar 26, 2017, 01:50 AM
In its new document, "Main Directions of Monetary Policy for 2026–2028," the Central Bank of Russia modeled an economic collapse scenario. It assumes a drop in oil prices to $30–35 per barrel and escalating Western sanctions. The result would be a two-year decline in GDP for the first time since the mid-1990s, the year of the default and collapse of the Soviet economy. According to the Central Bank's calculations, under this scenario, the Russian economy would contract by 2.5–3.5% in 2026 and by another 2–3% in 2027. At the peak of the crisis, by the end of 2026, the decline could reach 6–7% annualized. Exports will fall to $255 billion—a 20-year low, compared to a recent peak of over $430 billion. Russia could lose approximately $160 billion in revenue in just two years—a colossal blow to its oil-dependent budget. In the event of such a crisis, prices in Russia would soar to double digits, and the Central Bank would be forced to sharply raise interest rates, effectively strangling the economy. This would lead to higher borrowing costs, a decline in investment, and a decline in consumption. The population would begin saving on virtually everything, while businesses would freeze projects and go underground. In effect, Russia would find itself back in the same situation as 1998—only this time without hope of recovery. The Central Bank warns that the National Fund reserves, which the Kremlin has called a "safety cushion" for years, could be depleted by the end of 2026. The budget faces sequestration—massive spending cuts, including social spending. This means that Russia will face the reality: it has no more money, and sanctions and low oil prices will prevent it from earning any. In its document, the Central Bank directly recalled the experience of the 1980s, when Saudi Arabia crashed global oil prices by tripling production. Back then, the price of a barrel fell from $30 to $10, triggering a currency crisis and hastening the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now Russia is once again following the same path—only faster and with less resilience. In essence, the Central Bank has acknowledged what the West has long been saying: Russia is critically dependent on oil—and without it, the entire economy collapses. Sanctions are working—they are hitting income, exports, and investment. Reserves are dwindling, and Moscow will soon be unable to meet its obligations. Living standards are falling, inflation is burning through savings, and the domestic market is shrinking.
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johnkingSenior Member
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#14Mar 26, 2017, 02:17 AM
This is not the first time that we have heard that the Russian economy will collapse. At the beginning of this invasion, some economists predicted that with the sanctions from the US and Europe, Russia might not be able to finance the war for more than six months. But Putin has been able to build a sanctions-proof economy. Regardless of the sanctions on Rosneft and Lukoil, Russia knows how to bypass them. They have been selling their oil to other countries through middlemen. I do not doubt that the war is really draining the economy of Russia, but I don't think the economy will collapse anytime soon.
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#15Mar 26, 2017, 03:27 AM
It is wishful thinking, Putin would rather see every Russian scrambling around in the dirt before accepting defeat or even settling for peace in an invasion he started. It is the trap of a dictator and a stubborn old man, that Russians have no power or will to overthrow. Russia is already sanctioned heavily but unless their trading partner China can be targeted more effectively it is going to prop up this shambolic government because it drains both Russian and Western equipment. China probably loves the mess that Russia continues to make of itself and will happily pounce on the vast amounts of land Russia has in future, as they will inevitably find ways to neutralized Russian nukes. China and Russia are just a friendship of convenience, both would wipe each other out given half the chance because they are a major threat. Russia was progressively getting closer to Europe, being more open and productive before this tyrant started to strangle the life back out of it.
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real_laserFull Member
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#16Mar 26, 2017, 09:07 AM
It's gold rush time, why not bitcoin too. Not just Russia, but many other countries are facing major economic problems. The underlying causes of each country's economic problems may differ, but no country's economy is currently in good shape. Russia has been experiencing difficulties with its international trade due to the war in recent years. We know that many other brands have withdrawn from Russia, and these must have all been contributing factors for Russia. As long as this uncertainty persists, national economies will deteriorate further, that's for sure.
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cobra2013Senior Member
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#17Mar 28, 2017, 02:20 AM
What's happening in Ukraine right now isn't anymore the invasion that Russia originally planned. It isn't even a war anymore. In a way, Russia has already come to its senses and abandoned that ambitious yet unrealistic goal of taking back territories. Today, it's purely just armed harassment, although it could still escalate anytime. The way things are going right now, it seems Russia has effectively chosen the economy over the invasion. But it can't completely end it. That would be tantamount to surrendering, an option Putin would never take. So, there has to be bombings every now and then. That's just for the pride.
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whale777Full Member
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#18Mar 28, 2017, 04:59 AM
Russia never had a big economy, minimum wage has always been 22,000 rubles a month ($275) with a slight difference in Moscow and St. Petersburg which is 32,000 rubbles and 28,000 rubles. I have never gone to Russia to know about this first hand, but the looting in Ukraine at the start of the war where Putin soldiers took away house amenities like fridges, washing machines, TV, Car parts etc and shipped back to Russia, is an evidence of a low standard of living in their nation. However, the Russia Ruble is currently the best performing currency in the world.
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omega_2013Full Member
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#19Mar 28, 2017, 08:25 AM
You have never been to Russia to personally survey life there, and you just read somewhere some western article saying that the Russian army took away household appliances from Ukrainian people. You quickly conclude that they are an underdeveloped country and not a major economy. Is that right and fair? No offense, but you’re really shallow and biased.  This reminds me of the US media and Western press constantly reporting that the Russian economy will soon collapse, or Russian people are protesting against Putin. Many people naively believed that. But as you can see, they are still standing strong until now and things are even completely different from what the Western media has been propagating. https://www.statista.com/statistics/268173/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp/ According to data from statista.com, Russia is the 11th largest economy in the world with a GDP of over 2 trillion. They are not the biggest economy but they are not weak compared to the general world situation.
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kevinviperFull Member
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#20Mar 28, 2017, 08:55 AM
And this is only the beginning of the collapse not only of the Russian economy, but of the entire country. In a totalitarian state, the truth is always hidden. It's no wonder Rosstat doesn't publish even approximate figures. The budget situation is extremely difficult. No tax hike will save Putin and his gang. The time has come to pay for this bloody war. The consequences will be incredibly sad and tragic. The people have become hostage to this "system." It's difficult to do anything when the repressive machine is operating at full capacity.
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