De-Dollarization: More Than Just an Anti-American Narrative

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ryan2015Member
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#1Dec 5, 2023, 03:29 AM
More and more countries are starting to lessen their reliance on the Dollar, and this trend has really picked up speed lately, especially with the ongoing tensions in BRICS and oil markets. At first glance, it might seem like an Anti-American story, but there’s actually a lot more to it. The heavy use of the Dollar brings some real problems like high exchange rates, shortages, and economic manipulation through inflation, just to name a few. Then you’ve got Cryptocurrency, which offers a more independent and safer option, free from the risks that come with being too dependent on the Dollar. Countries around the globe can’t ignore the possibility of De-dollarizing their economies anymore. It’s happening, step by step!
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#2Dec 5, 2023, 04:07 AM
The tariff war is also speeding up the dedollarization process. Many countries are seeing that the US is focusing on getting the best regardless of the harm it will cause to the economy of its trading partners. Some countries are now trading with their local currency because accessing the dollars has become difficult since many of these nations are facing high tariff. Countries that are major supplier to the US are facing industrial good surplus because of high tariff. They are gradually seeking other trading partnerships which is further decreasing the use of the dollars as the major currency of international trade.
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0xForkMember
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#3Dec 5, 2023, 06:38 AM
De-dollarization is considered "anti-American" is just a deliberate framing created by those who benefit most from the dominance of the US dollar, because what these countries do is simply to protect their economy and sovereignty, by reducing the dependence on the use of USD which is considered unfair on their own currency. the goal of these countries is simply to reduce dependence on USD and make their country's currency more widely used in their own transactions, but America considers that this is an action that is hostile to their currency, and instead threatens countries that do this. however, attempts to pressure or threaten countries may push these countries to find alternatives even more quickly, and all of that will only accelerate the de-dollarization process itself.
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dan_altMember
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#4Dec 5, 2023, 10:51 AM
You know the past decades the USD has being an epic centre of all international financial transactions down to the extend it has penetrated local markets where some locals are willing to receive payments in USD instead of their local currency hence causing a devaluation on their currency and leaving their economy dependent on the US. But how the realisation of other countries in searching for alternatives that could reflect real development in their country's economy to freely compete globally without any fetters restricting them down  is termed "anti-american"? Does it supposed that the rest world isn't meant to be economically independent to compete in the global financial market with their own currency except for the USD. Actually no amount of threat or sanctions seem to deter these nations as the call for de_dolarisations appears to gain more and more momentum like never before.
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tom1337Full Member
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#5Dec 5, 2023, 02:45 PM
It was also a similar theme 40 years ago and even before that.  The difference from then to now is the size of debt and borrowings in dollars.  The cost to the fiscal budget is approaching 1 trillion, if measures taken to stabilize the dollar as done in the 80's were performed now then the entire fiscal budget would be consumed just paying interest.   Its an impossible situation, only one likelihood is for inflation to occur and probably in an uncontrollable way, it will be chaotic.  What happened to Greece was they couldn't issue their own currency so they were going to default, here they will attempt to manipulate but whose going to pay for it.    Those trapped without choice will pay and its anyone being paid in dollars, forced buying QE debt was a measure taken by federal controlled asset programs such as pensions so these are the people who suffer most.
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#6Dec 5, 2023, 03:23 PM
Yeah the countries who don't like sanctions leave, till another country has similar ideas. Privately the $ is as popular as many other currencies fail.
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lonelaserMember
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#7Dec 6, 2023, 10:39 PM
The situation in every country might be different but I see that in my country is far from the attempt of dedollarization. We have our national currency and also aim to integrate into the European Union but we favour the US dollar so much that every trade is basically done in USD. It's so much that the government enforced a new law that prohibits people from trading in USD when they buy/sell a house, car, smartphone and etc but this law can easily be bypassed by writing USD converted to national currency numbers. To sum up, in my country everyone sticks with USD. To my mind, cryptocurrencies aren't a better alternative that will help us to free ourselves from the US dollar but there is an attempt by BRICS, we can only wait and see whether they'll succeed or not.
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#8Dec 6, 2023, 11:29 PM
Biden sanctioning Russia and China and Trump imposing tariffs over most of the world is what caused de-dollarization. If there were no sanctions and no tariffs, there would be no de-dollarization, because the US dollar is the most convenient fiat currency in the world(due to it's payment infrastructure) and having USD means that you could buy almost anything everywhere around the world. Try buying something with Russian rubles in Brazil or with Indian rupees in China. Crypto might be an alternative to various fiat currencies, but I don't think that countries like China would ever embrace it in their foreign trade.
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ape51Member
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#9Dec 8, 2023, 11:28 AM
Another thing that sped up the need do de-dollarization was the freezing of US Treasury at will. People believed US Treasury bonds to be a safe investment but from these actions we could see that any country or any person's assets could be frozen if they fall out of favor of US. This makes dollar a risky assets which is controlled by a single government. It's where gold and crypto like bitcoin comes in action. It's a value that is independent of single government and something you truly hold. You could have the bills but you don't hold the value, they could be made useless if the government wants.
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dan42Member
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#10Dec 8, 2023, 12:24 PM
Countries are trying to find alternatives, but the superpowers continue to exert pressure regarding global trade tariffs, further demonstrating that de-dollarization is met with resistance, especially among the BRICS countries. This dependence is inherently disadvantageous to some countries, so they are seeking alternatives. This isn't anti-American, but rather a matter of capitalizing on opportunities that most countries can achieve. The BRICS offer solutions to global trade issues and also provide access to determine the local currency used for transactions, making it much more profitable. Currency substitution another name for dollarization, and dependence on dollarization also leads to the weakening of local currencies. Therefore, solutions are needed, such as reducing demand for local goods, which in turn weakens the demand for local currencies. While this doesn't always trigger the problem, it does pose significant risks, not to mention the high exchange rate at certain times.
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#11Dec 9, 2023, 12:29 PM
What the BRICS have done is the fastest action to shift/end the dollar's hegemony in the international monetary system. In my opinion, the quickest shortcut is a combination of coalitions/alliances of countries in international trade practices, followed by shifting central bank reserves and building alternative payment infrastructure. While simultaneously implementing small but consistent shocks to create a big wave of confidence in the dollar. If we look at the BRICS movements, the simulation can perhaps be summarized as follows: For coalition countries (pragmatic): To accommodate geopolitical pressures, several countries form coalitions and enter into trade agreements, invoicing compacts, and reserve pooling. They then build liquid clearing and liquidity systems: swap lines, sovereign FX swap funds, and foreign exchange trusts (FTs). This is then backed up with real trade and real economic instruments, such as energy/commodity export contracts priced in new currencies. To prevent fraud and maintain credibility, transparent reserve audits, legal frameworks, and market-making programs must be in place. A bloc of countries (which could be a combination of major energy/mineral exporters plus developing countries) forms a coordinated coalition to shift trade and reserves from USD to the coalition currency, dinar/dirham/overeign currency, using swap lines, trade invoicing clauses, and strategic reserves. Technically, the coalition agrees on bilateral trade invoicing in alternative currencies (Dinar/Dirham or coalition currency). The coalition's central banks announce a joint reserve allocation program. Alternative clearing and settlement (multilateral clearinghouse + payment rail) and liquidity swap lines are established. Fiscal/tariff incentives for private actors accepting the coalition currency (discounts, project priority) are provided. Therefore, intensive diplomacy, the signing of trade invoicing and reserve pooling agreements, infrastructure updates, the launch of a clearing system and guarantee facility (liquidity backstop) are required. Intensive and credible communication, followed by reserve audits, transparency, and liquidity guarantees, are required. Legally, there must be redenomination of new contracts and flexibility in commercial law. All of the above steps are expected to give rise to a multipolar pattern (regional currencies) in the short term. CBDCs could be a bridge between the dollar and a relinking tool from a dollar-based monetary system to a real asset-based monetary system. So, what would end the fiat cycle with all its flaws would still be real assets (gold and silver).
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WildSatMember
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#12Dec 9, 2023, 04:26 PM
No, the idea of ​​de dollarization has been on China's mind for a long time, and BRICS had already begun implementing it before Trump took office and launched the trade war. Trump's trade war is aimed at stopping China's de dollarization and the rise of its economy. But things did not go as he expected, instead it will make China and its allies weaker and unable to threaten the US. The trade war has inadvertently become a catalyst to accelerate the de dollarization process. The world has been tired and fed up with American dominance for decades, this is nothing new.
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eric2019Member
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#13Dec 9, 2023, 08:43 PM
The De-dollarization process have been on for a very long time, most countries have argued that, in exchange for material resources like Gold, crude oil etc on the international market,  their resource should be exchanged with another valuable resources instead of dollars, however all of this moves didn't make much progress as Americans influence in the international market is so overwhelming... The alliance between Russia, Brazil and China in an attempt to De-dollarize most of the countries of the world will at this point hit a rock bottom, the systematic structure of America connecting the world has not been challenged, so where will they start, even with the impossession of the high tariff by the trump administration, you still see those countries still trying to pay high tariff to still import goods into America.
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#14Dec 9, 2023, 10:57 PM
Honestly, this is BS. I meant you called cryptocurrency as an independent, but it's mainly valued in term of USD. It's also moving up and down following the US news. Just look at the latest news says Trump's meeting with Xi might not happen, then it drives whole of crypo go down even Bitcoin as well. So your theory is not even matching with the reality.
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#15Dec 10, 2023, 02:24 AM
Wish Americans knew about this a lot more. I mean if you are American, then you are already realizing that your nations currency is getting devalued like crazy, you should realize this by checking what you spent on something last year and same thing this year. When you realize that, you will also realize that other nations will not want to hold dollars because it's a bad investment when it's losing value like that. Why would I want something that loses value like that. I prefer gold, silver, oil and many other things instead of dollars. Bitcoin is also becoming another one, sure it is not everywhere yet, but we are getting there, some nations are already decided to keep and not sell their seized bitcoins from criminals. We are going to grow those in the future.
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#16Dec 10, 2023, 08:00 AM
What you called de-dollarization is something that was bound to happen because the dollar have been so weaponized against anyone that does not agree with the west so it is only natural that people begin to seek alternatives to dollar. We saw how many countries and economics were messed up for disagreeing with the west, they even go as far as seizing the monies of other sovereign nations, that ought not to be that way. Hence, the de-dollarization is something that is bound to happen.
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#17Dec 10, 2023, 10:09 AM
Maybe this will happen now or later in the future, we shouldn't make it obvious as if we wanted to see the extinct loss of relevance, value and acceptability from the people, time will tell by itself the way we already have the advancement with bitcoin after being introduced, so it's for the people to go for what they want and that's truly what they could voted for.
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#18Dec 10, 2023, 03:51 PM
It does seem like the dollar is in decline but it is still the default and it seems like it'll start that way for a very long time. If all the things you mention - high exchange rates is meaningless because it's relative to a local currency that is presumably losing value, that's the actual problem. Scarcity, yet you also mention inflation, which is actually printing money - so which is it because you seem confused? What it really comes down to is trust - money, as in storing value - needs to be as predictable as possible because it can control your future. Comparing against all other currencies, people have decided that on the whole, American currency is the best bet and the least volatile to trade in. Crypto has gained some ground but until it shakes out more volatility and can handle the necessary level of transactions at speed, it won't be as trusted.
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#19Dec 10, 2023, 04:18 PM
I don't even understand the thought process of the US in this tariff increase. I can't understand it. Countries were already looking for other means to make international trade with a different currency; they were already forming alliances, which were failing, but then the US decided to pull the tariffs saga. There was absolutely no need for that. Tariffs could have been increased by 2-5 per cent, instead of what we're seeing today. It's a very childish way to run a country.  It favours the US and the dollar that other countries use their currency for trades and reserves. What they should have done is find ways to build trust between them and those countries, and make doing business with them easier, instead of making it difficult. The dollar will continue to dominate the markets for sure, but with what we've seen so far from this administration, if the US continue down this path even after this administration, the empire might fall sooner than they expected. Little by little, the dollar will lose influence if all the next administrations continue like this. A show of force and power can only take you so far; what takes you further is alliances. They should build alliances instead of turning friends into rivals and foes into enemies.
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#20Dec 10, 2023, 06:18 PM
While it may seem detrimental, and in fact, it does harm domestic companies, the tariff war is a Trump image-building tool. This economic strategy has a wow effect on the President's brand, championing America First. The high tariffs are a form of geo-economic diplomacy, a decisive blow to China, forcing it to make an offer and trigger a bargaining process that results in compromise. Finally, Trump is an anomaly in the US democratic system, indifferent to institutions, focused on visible short-term results, and immune to conflict. His policy style is always confrontational and aggressive. The important thing is to make a big splash first. Trump's goal is to hurt China, but the US also pays a high price in compensation for the domestic economy. Long-term effects could include the degradation of global supply chains, higher inflation, and slowing growth. The current evidence of the withdrawal of many giant companies from the US demonstrates the need for certainty in business, and Trump's policymaking style is extremely difficult for businesses due to the uncertainty. In Trump's dictionary, there is no alliance unless it benefits the US.
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