Future of America: Who's Gonna Come Out on Top?

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4tla52011Full Member
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#1Oct 5, 2019, 11:43 PM
So there's this dude from China on YouTube, his channel's called Predictive History. His name’s Jiang Xueqin, and some people online call him "China's Nostradamus." He was featured on another YouTube channel, The Diary of a CEO, talking about his predictions. He said Trump would be the next president and that the US would go to war with Iran. It's a pretty wild watch if you're into history, just look it up on YouTube. What’s got me thinking is this prediction he made about the American empire collapsing without anyone stepping in to take its place. It kinda suggests we’re moving into a multipolar world instead of one where a single nation holds all the power. This reminded me of back in school when a professor brought up six historical world powers: - Egypt - Assyria - Babylon - Medo-Persia - Greece - Rome He claimed America is the last of these powers and linked it to something in the Bible, specifically in Revelation where it talks about seven heads, especially in chapters 13 to 17. He mentioned something like the last head being upon us or whatever. A lot of folks think China’s gonna take over America’s spot. But honestly, China doesn’t seem super into starting wars. They’re mostly investing in impressive infrastructure and global trade. Everything seems to tie together, like spirituality, prophecy, and predictions. It's kinda eerie. So my question is: will the American empire actually fall? If it does, will China step in to fill the void, or are we really heading into a multipolar world? Is America the last global empire as some prophecies suggest?
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mark_whaleSenior Member
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#2Oct 6, 2019, 02:45 AM
I have come across Jiang Xueqin's videos and his predictions were quite fascinating. I don't know whether we shall see the complete fall of the American empire in our lifetime, but one thing for sure is that it's on its way downwards. I am one of the people who think that China is going to be the next power. Yes they don't fancy wars right now but have you seen how they are building their military and defensive capabilities? There will come a time when they will have to defend what they have built and that when the Military will come in. China was an Empire before, and it's one of the oldest civilizations spanning over 5,000 years so why not this time round?
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#3Oct 6, 2019, 05:39 AM
It seems to me more likely that the United States will simply lose its role as the sole superpower, but there will be no multipolar world. There will be only two superpowers, the United States and China. All other countries join either China or the United States. Well, that is, either to the economic zone of the dollar, or to the economic zone of the yuan. That's about how it might be. Now it is impossible to even guess what the configuration of these opposing blocs of countries will be.
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chain2009Full Member
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#4Oct 6, 2019, 07:30 AM
I don't think that china can really make it to the world power through war, china too is aware of this that is why they are using other means to show case themselves to the world. China is indeed one country that has been on the rise and they have been able to show that through their high technological advancement and innovation which they have been able to build for themselves, over the years. But I am one of those person's who believes that China is still far from achieving real world power. America is still ahead of china by some miles infact let just say that China is only trying to bridge the gap which exists between them and America. China is lagging behind America it will take a while before China can actually become a real threat to America.
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bengweiSenior Member
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#5Oct 6, 2019, 12:25 PM
I agree with anyone who thinks the American unipolar moment is coming to an end because the evidence is clearly written in the emergence of decentralized systems, BRICS countries and currency and the futility of military warfare that is overwhelmed with economic warfare and alliance, all aimed at de-dollarization and the American influence. A country like China is dominating the world economically by being a go-to place for loans and assistance and the only way we can save ourselves from the collapse of this fracturing is to secure individual structures and assets that sets one apart from this forth coming situation.
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#6Oct 6, 2019, 01:40 PM
It's not some big mystery and even if this guy did "predict" Trump becoming president, so did everyone else after the cult of personality he created in a two political party system - it's hardly unique wisdom to see that. All of the things he has supposedly predicted are obvious to even a casual observer. Nor is it clever to see the decline of America and the rise of China. The world is not static and power dynamics are always in play. China suppressed itself for many decades and even centuries due to it's terrible politics, but has managed to turn that around. They've got a natural advantage of having over 4 times the population of America. They got much richer by converting to open and capitalistic market policies, but that was before Xi Jinping who has actually got much stricter again. You mention all those nations that were once super powers, but there were more recent ones than that - the British empire dominated around half the globe at one point, the Spanish and Portuguese empires also spanned vast areas. America's current politics are making it much weaker and other countries will step into the vacuum, but who knows if that will be a better thing for the world.
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maxgasSenior Member
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#7Oct 6, 2019, 04:10 PM
All empires fall and come to an end. You can take a walk into history. China do not want that! Themselves alongside, Russia and Iran are leading the way to a multipolar world. Most definitely where everyone sees themselves as equals but not anyone being above the other.  Those who say this will not be achieved are those enjoying cheap labour and also enjoying from the exploitation of other nations. It is not morally right. They should come to an end. No body cares. They've become a problem to world peace over the years. We just want to live in peace with our people and other cultures who love us.
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maxi2011Member
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#8Oct 8, 2019, 11:17 AM
China will not replace USA, not with wars at least. China just goes to a nation, helps them, gives them money, loans, and builds roads and bridges and schools. When that nation inevitably fails to pay, takes their resources for free in exchange for the work, and gets richer. This is a capitalist move that is true, but at least it's better than what west did back in the day. West would have come there, rape their women, kill their men, slave their children, and took all they have. This has happened in history, it is not fake or a lie, we all know this, we have seen inhumane way west has acted towards Africa for example, and people are acting as if China using this business method as a bad thing, it is at least much better on paper. I hate China as much as the next guy, but lets not act as if west is any angels neither, both sides are terrible equally.
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ledger777Member
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#9Oct 9, 2019, 03:34 AM
I don't think that most of the experts believe in the simple cycle of empire, history is more complicated and difficult to understand and today’s global system is very different from the ancient system like it was in Rome or Babylon. Though United States right now is very powerful and influential but there are experts who are predicting that the world is slowly moving from one dominant country to distributing it powers among several powerful countries this mean that USA China India and other European unions all play important role instead of just one controlling everything. China is not going to fully replace US though China is very strong in trade and manufacturing but still there are certain challenges US has major strength in finances military technology and innovation, the more realistic future is the world where power is shared among different big countries instead of one empire.
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nova_2019Senior Member
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#10Oct 9, 2019, 08:35 AM
OP, this topic is more about geopolitics rather than economics. Maybe you should focus more on the economy side of things or just move this topic to another sub-forum. America will definitely lose it's global dominance due to massive debts, demographic decline(mass migration won't help) and the lack of industrial capacity on ground. China has the industrial capacity, it it also suffers from massive debts and a demographic decline. There won't be one giant superpower dominating over the world in the next few decades. Most likely the big powers like USA and China would maintain their own alliances. Also the Bible part you were talking about in "Revelation of John" is describing seven kings(as the seven heads), not seven empires(not that I'm an expert in theology or something).
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jake420Full Member
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#11Oct 10, 2019, 09:57 AM
As you mentioned, many powerful empires have collapsed and become history. What makes the US empire different and an exception? They will also eventually collapse, but we do not know when that will happen. China is the leading candidate to replace the US as the world's superpower. But I hope our world will move towards a more multipolar world instead of continuing to be dominated by a single power center. Because there is no guarantee that if China replaces the position of a superpower and holds as much power as the US, it will not become another version of the US.
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ryan2020Full Member
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#12Oct 10, 2019, 03:43 PM
What i perceive is that, if US loses their world stage, China will be seen as the next to take over but they won't, it is not at the best of interest to them. China is building their country in different ways, economically and in security strength, in which other countries will be very cautious in their dealing with them, based off military strength and weapons. The world might just turn multipolar like you mentioned, we now have nations that are obviously on the same rivalry as the US, countries like China, Russia, Iran, Japan etc... are all building world influence.
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gmfrensFull Member
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#13Oct 10, 2019, 08:13 PM
Decentralization of different sort and the fact that most nations are going towards self sustainability are all indication that points us to an era when America becomes less powerful compared to how they are seen at the present. in the long run, it is not going to be all about which nation has the most sophisticated war arsenal but rather which has the natural influence to will things to their favor and in that regard, china have been investing heavily in becoming more self sufficient and to also become a nation that other smaller nation can lean on. There is serious awakening that is already happening where every notion don't want to remain at the mercy of America and if it increases, there will likely be more powerful nations rather than an existence of one that controls the majority of people.
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paul.stakeHero Member
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#14Oct 10, 2019, 08:21 PM
The US won't vanish, it'll just stop being the only empire. China doesn't need to replace anyone when it can keep building roads and ports everywhere instead. Multipolar is already happening if you look at BRICS, trade becoming de-dollarized, etc. As for the prophecy stuff, yes empires eventually die, but it's hard to call that a real prediction. The real question is when?
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bit2017Senior Member
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#15Oct 11, 2019, 01:34 AM
I have watched many of the professor's videos and he always includes concrete evidence of the turmoil in the world, which attracts a lot of viewers. Personally, I believe that no one will always be the strongest; in today's world, economics is in control, and whichever country is able to stand tall with a good economic system, master the technology sector, and so on, will control the world. The fall of America may be imminent, or it may have already begun little by little.
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cybergasFull Member
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#16Oct 11, 2019, 01:49 AM
That only works if you believe that a power is to be taken by war first. In real life it can also happen by money, tech, trade and alliances. No need for open war imo, one side can just slowly get stronger and the other side falls behind. It's not always necessary for a new top power to appear on the battlefield. It can take the lead little by little if it continues to win in industry, innovation, partnerships and trade. That's how things can change too.
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probablynoth1ngFull Member
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#17Oct 11, 2019, 05:31 AM
I do not think that we have "polar" in the sense that "west vs east" anymore. Because not even Russia and China love each other as much as they used to, and not even Europe and USA love each other as well. So the west is moving towards two different status, one is the US, and the other is the EU, and meanwhile east is moving towards China vs Russia as well. So in the end, we are not really seeing this change all that much, we are seeing how things could be looking very different.
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