Investors at BlackRock Can't Access Their Funds

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benledgerSenior Member
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#1Jan 19, 2018, 05:37 AM
Just found out about this and honestly, I haven’t seen it anywhere in the news. This could be the early signs of an upcoming financial crash. 07/03/2026 Does this ring a bell for anyone? What could this mean for Bitcoin, especially if it keeps going like this? Investors might have to sell off their Bitcoin and other assets to manage their debts, especially if some of their funds get locked up, and if this trend continues since investment firms are running low on immediate cash.
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sam.bullSenior Member
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#2Jan 19, 2018, 11:56 AM
No it's not a sign of the financial crash ETFs can't go bankrupt in the traditional sense since they ain't the custodian of the funds And the limit it's on the prospectus which caps quarter withdrawals to 5% to prevent forced sales of illiquid asset But Bitcoin isn't really an illiquid asset hence why the criticism. Hopefully this reminds people that not your keys not your coins Nobody can stop you from moving your Bitcoin if you in custody. I
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ColdAlphaSenior Member
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#3Jan 21, 2018, 10:11 PM
If you have your coins in your wallet, yes true. Many Bitcoins are on exchanges although the trend goes to self custody. source: https://coinwiredaily.com/how-many-bitcoins-are-on-exchanges/
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quantumninjaFull Member
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#4Jan 21, 2018, 11:50 PM
So, BlackRock is unable to fulfill its obligations? What is that if not bankruptcy? If a company is unable to fulfill its obligations, then that's bankruptcy. Or is it the collapse of a pyramid scheme caused by investor panic? And the "symptoms" are very similar. This doesn't bode well. Any crisis in traditional financial markets will inevitably impact the cryptocurrency market. More sales means lower prices. It looks like cryptowinter will be tough.
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the_k1ngSenior Member
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#5Jan 22, 2018, 12:11 AM
There are funds running into trouble all the time, there is nothing especially systemic with a blackrock fund falling over. If it's in a high risk market then it's quite likely in fact, this could be impacted by the war that America is waging on Iran with it's effects on oil prices. Blackrock runs hundreds of funds, so one having an issue is not exactly a problem and every investor has to sign multiple waivers stating that they understand the risks which might wipe out all their money. Nobody should really have all their money in one place and with one provider, so this might be good for them to learn to spread it around. I don't see anything spectacular happening as an outcome to this, but other events right now which are continuing to push oil prices up are going to be a bigger instigator of a potential recession or at the very least inflation again.
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1t5_omegaHero Member
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#6Jan 23, 2018, 01:15 AM
Yes, I think it’s the most widely reported yet least understood news story in recent times. Private lending has always been illiquid. Traditionally, only large investors could access it and were required to hold their investments for a minimum of five years. Now, for the past year or two—I don’t know if you’ve noticed—they’ve been trying to market it to the general public; you can get in with much less capital, and they’ve created semi-liquid funds, where in theory you can make earlier withdrawals, but only partial ones. So, this hasn’t happened in a normal investment fund or index fund; it’s in a semi-liquid fund where far more people than expected have requested withdrawals. None. P.S.: I expect a lot of comments that will ignore what I just wrote and draw parallels with regular funds.
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p1x3l365Senior Member
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#7Jan 23, 2018, 04:57 AM
I can only imagine the possibilities because investing in the Etf can hold you handicap from making immediate decision on liquidity assets due to series of parameters inclined in that you can't force to sell especially on the low liquidity assets which the organization had assigned predetermined or irregular. Maybe you'd think why not the exchange sell the high liquid assets such as the stock or bitcoin to pay investors but where it's said that they don't have enough liquidity to pay the exact ratio of the investors demands, then there's nothing you can do about it. The moral lesson to this sequence as the first reply responded is the key note that reminds you that it's more convenience when you're in charge or custody of your funds and not when lost the right to an authority.
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fox_byteHero Member
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#8Jan 24, 2018, 07:11 PM
I read this news a few days ago and didn't find a deep analysis of this, but since we're talking about $26 billion, I don't think there will be a problem with BlackRock. Generally, the markets are currently in a state of clear uncertainty.
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planktonSenior Member
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#9Jan 24, 2018, 09:23 PM
Is this why Blackrock stock has taken a dive recently? I think they’ll be just fine, but we are indeed in interesting times.
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1t5_omegaHero Member
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#10Jan 25, 2018, 01:31 AM
This one is quite good, with a timeline of events. Private credit is making investors nervous. Here's a timeline of events that have spooked markets. Just bear in mind what I explained before. This is not a regular, highly liquid, mutual or index fund it's a semi-liquid private credit fund. Also keep in mind that the timeline of events is arranged from most recent to oldest.
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nova_2019Senior Member
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#11Jan 25, 2018, 05:33 AM
I wonder why there was no major media coverage of this event? Is it because Blackrock secretly controls most mainstream media websites, companies and platforms? Maybe all the big banks and investment funds will soon embrace the same tactics. "We will release your funds when we want to, not when you want to". Welcome to the dystopian "brave new world" of global finance. Fiat money losing value every day and your money in the banks, trust funds and "private credit funds" are not really yours. And the crypto haters keep saying that "Bitcoin has zero value" and the crypto world is one giant casino(which isn't completely wrong, by the way).
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calmfalconSenior Member
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#12Jan 26, 2018, 09:38 PM
This has been a thing in the banking for years. In fact, I have always felt funny about the fact that if you had a billion dollars in the bank, and want it out, they can't do it right away and require time. In my personal bank, I can't do more than 10k dollars a day unless I go and ask for more, so if I had more than 10k in my bank (I wish lol) then I couldn't take it out right away, I would have to go to bank and ask for permission and need to wait for response and all of that procedure. That's my money, and I need their permission to be able to withdraw it, fully silly to me.
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1t5_omegaHero Member
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#13Jan 26, 2018, 11:58 PM
I am going to take back my words here. I’m seeing more and more opinions that this—which initially began with private credit—could spread and, if it does, trigger a global crisis affecting other asset classes. I’m not saying it will or won’t happen, but there are parallels with the subprime mortgage crisis in the United States, which at first seemed like an isolated issue but ultimately led to a global crisis. This has been widespread reported in financial media and a quick search shows general media reporting, so your conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. Why Wall Street is calling out ‘echoes’ of the 2008 financial crisis Goldman Sachs exec advises investors on what to avoid in private credit That has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
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paul.apeMember
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#14Jan 27, 2018, 03:48 AM
Let's not act as if Blackrock told people "we are keeping your money, you can't have it". That is what the clickbait title is talking about. Reality is that it just said "we can't cash it out all at once, so it is going to take a while but we will get to you", meaning it may not be right away but it will happen eventually. This is why I think it's clear that we are not going to see this become an issue, it's going to be fine and not going to be a big deal, just be calm down about it and you are going to be fine. Blackrock will pay out everyone, they are just doing it a bit slower and not instantly. Hate those guys, but lets be honest about them at least.
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bridge100Senior Member
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#15Jan 28, 2018, 03:38 AM
Honestly when they are this much deep into investment, not having liquid to cash out this many at the same time is normal for this kind of business. To be fair this being normal for this type of business is not normal lol, but unfortunately if you are in this kind of business and you let them have your money then it's normal. You literally give them your money so they would invest with it, and if you give them to invest and then they invest, then you have to wait until they divest to get your money out. How could they give you a good return by investing and also be liquid enough to actually cash out whenever they want to. This won't be working for them and it is going to cause a lot of problem for them. This shouldn't be easy at all for the business as well.
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