Is Control of the Strait of Hormuz More Influential Than Nuclear Weapons?

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real_apeMember
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#1Sep 19, 2023, 10:30 AM
It seems that controlling the Strait of Hormuz is turning into a kind of power that could rival nuclear deterrence. Here’s my take on it: In a short time, the rising tensions around this route have already shown the significant impact it can have on the global economy. When oil shipments are threatened, it causes ripples everywhere fuel prices spike, transport costs rise, food prices go up, and inflation hits many nations. What’s crucial here is that Iran might not need to depend solely on its nuclear capability to exert influence. Just by having control over such a vital chokepoint, Iran already has considerable leverage that the rest of the world can't easily overlook or counter. So here’s the big question: Could Iran potentially step back from its nuclear ambitions and rely instead on controlling the Strait as its primary means of deterrence? Because what we've seen lately indicates that this strategy alone can: 1. Disrupt global trade 2. Apply pressure on powerful countries 3. Affect economic stability around the globe The reality is that unlike traditional nuclear options, this type of influence is already active and obvious. It doesn’t require testing or threats; the effects are instant. And the most intriguing part is that no nation can simply ignore that route without facing consequences. This might signal a shift in global politics, moving from military deterrence to the control of economic chokepoints. What we’re witnessing could be a new kind of power in the modern age.
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benledgerSenior Member
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#2Sep 19, 2023, 12:17 PM
The control of shipping through the Strait of Hormuz is indeed a form of power or leverage. I dont think the US government realised this power before they decided to attack Iran and if they did they definitely decided to ignore the possible threat - it has now come to pass and Iran is in a stronger position that in was before the atack on the 28th of February. Not very country has a Strait of Hormuz that they can apply pressure and leverage and not every country has vast reserves of Oil and Gas which the US wants to seize. Its worth noting that the Bab-el-Mandeb strait between Yemen and Djibouti in Africa could come into play shortly which will aso block shipments from the west coast of Saudi Arabia. And also if any country has neuclear powered electricity that too can become a liability for others to atack it and create nuclear fallout so Nuclear weapons are not the final answer to any conflict.
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alex.shardLegendary
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#3Sep 19, 2023, 04:23 PM
Before the war started, we all know and we have seen it many times in the news that if United States attack Iran, they will close the strait of Hormuz. I even think it was voted for by their cabinet members to be done if United United States attack the country. Also we know that this will lead to crude oil shortage and which will cause inflation in countries all over the world. But has United States bothered about it? No. The war still continues. If Iran made an atomic or a hydrogen bomb, United States will not  attack them just as they did this time.
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its_cipherSenior Member
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#4Sep 19, 2023, 06:28 PM
If we talk from the point of view of blackmailing the global economy through the availability of energy resources, then yes, the blockade is a powerful means of influence. However, if Trump completely loses his fears of losing his rating and the consequences, and he uses nuclear weapons together with Israel, then most likely the blockade will disappear, simply for physical reasons. So, after all, weapons and force are crucial before economic levers. Again, this is my hypothetical assumption, based on an analogy with the nuclear bombing of Japan by the Americans.
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cobra2013Senior Member
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#5Sep 20, 2023, 11:37 AM
It's indeed a form of power. Whoever controls the strait has a great leverage. The recent conflict has made obvious its significance in the global economy. It's also noticeable how closing the strait was used as a big threat by Iran. However, I don't think it's more powerful than nuclear weapons. If only Iran had fully-developed nuclear weapons, that country would've been left alone by the US. The most that the bully would've done was to impose sanctions, not bomb its cities, schools, research centers, and many other civilian locations.
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#6Sep 20, 2023, 01:44 PM
My question is, must it be Strait of Hormuz? Iran are using this means to hold the US and Israel to pause whatever pressure they have on them and by doing so it also affects so many countries, things are getting high and it seems like that's the only bigger weapon they have. I'd like to ask, is that the only passage whereby trade and other things that concerns the economy, is it the only means to do anything? Oli and the rest? Let's face it, Iran are destroying every ship that comes through Strait of Hormuz and that is their biggest weapon they have against US and Israel currently and they are using it to by time for themselves while they prepare for their next move because from how I see it, these guys don't have a better plan to win this war, they only focus on destruction and they don't mind what happens to their own country, this is completely zero strategy if you ask me. Before now they have been exchanging  missiles from one place to the other but now weapons fired are getting low so they changed to blocking the Strait of Hormuz, are they even sure of what they need to do next?
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humblefarmSenior Member
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#7Sep 20, 2023, 02:41 PM
A country needs more than one weapon for its survival. The deal collapsed because Iran wants to maintain its right to peaceful use of nuclear power and to enrich uranium for civilian use. The control of the Strait of Homarz is another issue that led to the suspension of the negotiation. Iran still wants to maintain total control of the area, while the US wants to be involved. These two issues are important to the survival of Iran, and giving any of them up will keep it at the mercy of Israel and the US. It would be unwise for them to give up any one.
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bit_2016Senior Member
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#8Sep 20, 2023, 06:35 PM
Iran's control in the Strait only tells that they have that power and influence in the global trade. And that's why I still believe whoever controls these things in the global trade has a power to influence in the global politics and dominance. 1. Oil 2. Bank 3. Internet Now the interesting part is what Trump said that they'll be forcing to blockade and its allies like the UK said that they won't obey of what they're about to do. Let's see. And if the nearby countries there will develop their pipelines to go to the other side that doesn't require to pass the Strait of Hormuz, that might be the next target of Iran.
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greg.bearMember
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#9Sep 20, 2023, 10:35 PM
Using the nuclear weapons isn't the problem, it is the consequences of using it that is the major concern and it's environmental impacts, if nuclear weapons are used, the whole environment remains radioactive and unsafe to use for a long while. The US cannot be fighting Iran for allegedly possession of nuclear weapons and still use same weapon against them, that is a clear conflict of interest. Then political effects, Iran would likely use same weapon on all allies of the US and Israel surrounding them, they surely would be the ones to suffer, and trust me, North Korea is more than ready to deliver some if paid well, furthermore, US will loose its voice to accuse Russia if they decide to use same weapon of which they have in abundance on Ukraine if they themselves do the same in Iran. It has far reaching consequences that they're carefully avoiding that option as it will reshape the global stance on usage of nuclear weapons.
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maxgasSenior Member
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#10Sep 21, 2023, 02:33 AM
Responding to the topic, I'd say yes. Even the former president of Russia said just the same about the Strait of Hormuz being their own nuclear weapon and I strongly agree with him. Give up their nuclear ambitions?! Hell No! They're already learning from Libya and how Gaddafi was killed. That is the fastest way to the greater isreal middle east agenda. And also, the former supreme leader who was killed was the only one halting their nuclear ambitions, with his death, his son and the set of new leaders are swinging that way. Let me remind you that the Strait of Hormuz wasn't closed prior to the war. We all need to call it what it is and not deflect, Donald Trump is waging an unnecessary war on iran. In between, the strait is still open for those ready to pay to go through. This is their strategy to make funds to repair all the damages of Israel and the Us likewise fighting the Petrodollar.
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0xN0nceSenior Member
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#11Sep 21, 2023, 04:16 AM
One thing you should know about strait of hormuz is that, this is the narrow passage that widely supply the needed oil route for every passage within the region, there are other alternatives like the pipeline, but they may not have the capacity of supplying as the vessels could have done when the past few days water route, that is why there is much dependence on this route and now that Iran is claiming that their country has been devastated with the incidence of the war, and the only alternative they have is to depend on that route to source for money in rebuilding back their cities. Let's also discuss about the United State of American and their decision on invading this same route and how they are planning to use anti water mines ships and drones to destroy all the water mines Iran has planted, because they claimed that they were unable to locate or destroy those mines any longer for some reason, but US is now determined to take it upon themselves to destroy the minds and also allow for free passage, which means that Strait of Hormuz is going to get it hard this time around because of the heavy assault about to take place within the region.
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darklordSenior Member
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#12Sep 21, 2023, 09:26 AM
Iran's control of the Strait of Hormuz made a huge impact and headlines because it disrupted the economies of even those who are not involved in this war. So yes, it has become a big leverage to those in control to the point that they are willing to pay millions just to pass that strait, the United States understands that so they raise this point in their talks with Iran, now that the talk is a failure they are going to block the strait and this will create a big strain on many countries. All eyes are on the Strait of Hormuz. I had never heard that passage before the war erupted, and it is now on the minds of every country that relies on oil from that region.
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#13Sep 21, 2023, 01:21 PM
that is kind of true. it is easier to use so in a way it is very powerful as compared to using the treat of a nuke. realistically what are the odd trump will nuke Tehran ? So the treat of nuke is not effective. of course with the gamble playing out if TRUMP does nuke Tehran then the threat of using a nuke is not a threat it is real. So Trump is in an interesting spot. His hand is being force to nuke by Iran. I personally am hoping for intervention  by God/Allah. As it seems both Iran and USA are playing very high stakes poker here. And all of us are the chips.
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c4lmdeg3nSenior Member
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#14Sep 21, 2023, 06:04 PM
To begin with the fact that Nuclear weapon actually seems to be like ultimate shield against world powers, but history and recently events shows that it is overstretched. Although possessing nuclear weapons raises the stake actually but they don’t grant total immunity or make any country feel untouchable. Look at North Korea for example they have nuclear weapons and have also tested missiles yet they still remain one of the most sanctioned country in the world. Im sure the reason why US haven’t invaded and boomed its cities into rubble should be because of the massive conventional risk involved. like refugees crises and also artillery threats to the southern Korea. However the situation around the strait of Hormuz has open the US eyes now and that they should probably be more diplomatic in their actions because  the rest of the world are feeling the pain they are causing as petroleum production are being held on ground due to the passage of the strait.
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the_kingHero Member
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#15Sep 21, 2023, 09:33 PM
The Persian Gulf already has a long history in world oil trade, the Strait of Hormuz is a nuclear bomb that cuts off 20 million barrels of oil per day, if the Strait of Hormuz is closed, of course you can imagine that around 25% of global oil supplies will be stopped. This is worse than a nuclear bomb, considering that all people in the world depend on oil for their economic activities individually and globally. The dispute between the Strait of Hormuz is not only today with the US and Iran, in 1507 the Portuguese controlled it, in 1908 the British also blockaded the strait, in the Iranian Revolution in 1979 which was called the Taker's war, it also became the most complicated thing regarding the Strait of Hormuz, Iraq has also claimed their rights there, this is not the first time the US has waged war with Iran to seize or blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
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cipher404Full Member
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#16Sep 22, 2023, 02:46 AM
I will say that power in global trade is not only about who hold the sea or road path, or the things you made mention but those who adapts quickly when things changes. You see countries that have a stronger partnership, alternative and a flexible economy are the that suffer's less when tension rises so you see is not about who's in control but about how prepared they're when the control they have is no longer working again
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d4rk5tackSenior Member
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#17Sep 22, 2023, 08:32 PM
If we go back to mid last year when this war first started we would see that Iran has used This same strait of Hormuz closure as a threat against any military action on them, so no one shouldn’t be acting surprised reading of the closure now. Before this war, US actually secured Venezuela first and this part of the reason why the energy crisis isn’t affecting the US, there blockade is just to force people to actually come and buy from them and since this war hasn’t pushed for it I think that’s why we are here. This also shows that move by Trump and the entire way was to actually get more investors for the country, so it’s all still about business and not any empathy for the Iranians
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gwei_minerSenior Member
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#18Sep 22, 2023, 11:29 PM
It’s a fact and a clear and visible truth that the Straits of Hormuz has more economic impact than the nuclear threat, and one truth you pointed out is that US underestimated Iran so much that are surprised by the power they now possess after discovering that they rule the movement of goods in the economy. But however, they have their own sovereignty which means that US had no right to decide what area or business Iran has to go with but however, it’s now obvious they nuclear weapon is not the power they needed, they needed to know their worth.
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#19Sep 23, 2023, 12:24 AM
according the latest news the International Monetary Fund and the International Energy Agency have officially declared the current situation in the Strait of Hormuz as the "largest supply disruption in the history of the global oil market. You are 100% correct. Nuclear weapons are a "passive" deterrent you have them so you don't have to use them. The Strait of Hormuz is an "active" economic weapon. Is the Strait of Hormuz Now More Powerful Than a Traditional Nuclear Weapons? Not as powerful like the real weapon but it is effective for economic weapon tbh blocking strait hormuz is hurting everyone not just US and Iran but everyone because the surge of oil price can lead into domino effect
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leo69Senior Member
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#20Sep 23, 2023, 06:12 AM
It is not always possible to win a war with firearms, missiles, and nuclear bombs. In some cases, there are some important things that play an important role in a country's victory in a war, just like the Strait of Hormuz is a significant part for Iran. Oil is exported and imported through this Strait of Hormuz in all countries of the Middle East, so in this case, if this Strait of Hormuz is closed, it will definitely create a huge crisis in the Middle East including America. If America loses control of the Strait of Hormuz at this moment, it will suffer a lot of losses, which America will not easily want. That is why America is pushing for a ceasefire, or rather a compromise agreement.
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