Is it possible for economies to thrive without capitalism?

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#1Apr 3, 2024, 09:58 PM
Can any economy really make it without capitalism? Think about countries like the UK, USA, Germany, and even those in Africa. Personally, I believe capitalism is the strongest economic system. Did the developed countries kick things off with capitalism or did they start with socialism?
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quantumbearHero Member
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#2Apr 3, 2024, 10:53 PM
I really agree with you, most countries nowadays are capitalist countries and not socialite. Even China is running an authoritarian capitalist country and not completely socialite. I like countries that let individual have their own businesses. I see other form of government as old as the world moves towards capitalism instead. But if it is about survival, countries can survive with other form of government as well, although capitalism is the best among them.
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ryan_orbitFull Member
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#3Apr 4, 2024, 04:49 AM
Economically capitalism tends to focus on the means of production and ownership controlled by individuals or groups not directly affiliated with the state. If we look at a highly regarded country like China, we can see how its economic system is built, and how they generally tend to be more progressive, adopting a people's democratic dictatorship. If you're wondering whether it can survive, perhaps you can refer to the three countries mentioned and see whether Africa is currently experiencing much greater progress or not. This is one example we can use as a basis for consideration regarding the capitalist system.
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paul.bullMember
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#4Apr 4, 2024, 09:45 AM
I think capitalism is a logical conclusion or interweaving with any other policy, because we live in a world of money. And it is a direct way to influence reality. If we look at China, India, Mongolia, it managed to build social politics, but nevertheless, their workers are hired by the US in their factories on their owne territory, and for my opinion, it is an absolutely money-grabbing, aimed at financial growth. The whole world looks at the USA and how subtly they build their economic financial policy of foreign countries, afraid to make the mistakes of the past, and few countries admit that they do not dream of being like the USA.
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cyberviperFull Member
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#5Apr 6, 2024, 10:51 AM
I think both have their own pros and cons like with captialism we see competition and inequality but with socialism we see equality in the society so I guess we should find a mixutre of both that could do the both thing, but that's not quite possible easily, so I will say captialism is better then socialism because that way one might not be motivated enough to compete, and competition is very necassary for the production of things that needs out of the thinking and people have to go beyond. These countries made their choices already not these but every country has made its choice already, on the country level I think capitalism is better but if we want socialism, we can somehow manage to implement it in our society.
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nonce_sigmaFull Member
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#6Apr 6, 2024, 12:21 PM
Yes an economy can survive without capitalism. Systems like socialism or communism have existed though with mixed results. Capitalism pushes growth while other systems focus more on equality or stability. No model is perfect, obviously each has trade offs in freedom, efficiency & fairness. What matters most is how well resources are managed & people’s needs are met.
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just_bridgeSenior Member
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#7Apr 7, 2024, 07:41 PM
Can an economy survive without capitalism? Yes Different strokes for different folks. And those that don't operate a capitalist economy have adjusted to it. In my estimation, capitalism is the key that makes an economy of a country to continue to grow through revenue generation. There will be more businesses that are in competition with another to get customers and clients. It will force them to innovate and those businesses that cannot innovate will simply die off. In short capitalism to the economy of a country is like democracy to the leadership of a country.
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orbit_rocketFull Member
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#8Apr 7, 2024, 08:07 PM
Socialism ideology will make the country can't go nowhere/stuck because the smart people are either move to other country or become dumb. There's no appreciation for smart people and they get the same reward like stupid or lazy one, why they need to try hard? See North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam and Laos, they're nothing. They survive, but not something that can make other people proud. Only North Korea have a power because they spent a lot of money in military. China is excluded because they're adopt mixed ideology.
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#9Apr 8, 2024, 12:47 AM
Better to use the Bitcoin economic model which is neither capitalism, socialism or communism, it's a balanced economic model and works really well. So it's possible for an economy to survive without capitalism but should be with non-capitalist model like Bitcoin where independent people of diverse abilities/talents voluntarily cooperate under fair work rules or protocols that no one is allow to violate, and that explicitly set out roles that must be done in orderly manner, cooperatively or via competition or both, to achieve the best results In this environment, businesses or companies especially those for public use will be transparent and opensourced for anyone to participate.  You create a contract of what you want workers to do for you, with locked money attached to it that get released gradually for fulfilled parts of the contract or at once for full contract fulfillment (*with "satisfied with the work" button to click on to get the money released). By the way, you make sure to personally buy whatever that is supposed to be bought by you probably recommended by the workers for the work. But firstly, the workers are automatically/manually screened for their past works which are expected to be similar to your job offer and with little to no issues, in an evidence-based reviews given to them by others. The best workers is/are selected while others may choose to stay to assist the best (who will be the work leader) to get part of the rewards for jobs well done. Anyone can invest/contribute something valuable and good to a company or business to become a stakeholder and have influence proportional to their good contributions. But owning a company with superior roadmap means you have greater influence regardless of how much other individuals invested unless they have more superior idea you cannot find much issues in, they become major stakeholders and have greater say in the running of the company. The company is expected to grow larger than the original owner's stake and he/she will nolonger be the only owner. And with good/valuable contributions everyone stake grows bigger than it was
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ryanwizardSenior Member
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#10Apr 8, 2024, 04:54 AM
Capitalism is what is taking over the economy globally, it was then before things advanced to this stage that we do have socialism, but this days, we are seing more of capitalism than socialism, but as I will personally admit for it, I will prefer them both being in use, because it can help the economy more fasting towards increasing because each individual or corporate organizations will finds it most suitable aspect to run their economy.
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#11Apr 8, 2024, 10:36 AM
True! As far as I know, no major country has managed to sustain itself economically in the long term without some degree of capitalism. Its what encourages innovation, which functions as if it were the fundamental "engine" of the economy. Its where a fertile environment is created for entrepreneurs, industries, and investors to prosper and know that their efforts will be well rewarded and not distributed equally and often unfairly to those who dont deserve it. Its necessary to financially reward those who do something for their country. Its necessary to safeguard that. But, on the other hand, I dont think "pure capitalism" exists in practice either. Even the USA has social programs and strong government intervention in times of crisis (an example was what happened during the 2008 pandemic)... Its necessary to maintain social programs in some form, especially to eradicate hunger and maintain basic principles of health and education.... But capitalism needs to guide every country's economy.
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#12Apr 8, 2024, 02:59 PM
It's a good question and I think the answer is no, but that comes with a caveat. Capitalism needs to work for the majority and we see certain places like America which are starting to struggle because it has been setup in the wrong way. For all it's advantages raw capitalism does need some sensible and forever evolving regulation, if it's doesn't have that then corporation's will wreak havoc at the expense of the public. Corporations are legally bound to do the minimum possible (because it is usually the cheapest route) to meet legal requirements in order to maximize profits. They are actively incentivized to lobby, aka bribe, politicians to weaken laws even further if it increases their profit margins, even if that is detrimental to society as a whole. Well regulated capitalism should be the ultimate aim for every country.
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mr_nodeMember
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#13Apr 8, 2024, 04:15 PM
I think country can survive without capitalism,  but I also feel capitalism has a great role in the development of a nation, since its supports private owners of property and industries. It's help the economy to be competitive and also helps for a better product. It's also helps in developing a society very fast. I personally prefer a mixed economy which I believe most countries practice.  This enables private sector and the government to dictate the economy,  which in my opinion I think it's the best for societal development.
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#14Apr 8, 2024, 06:42 PM
An economy without capitalism can exist. Alternative economic systems include centralized socialism, a community economy, a limited-scale Islamic economy, and a post-capitalist economy. For developing countries, the realistic and implemented approach in my country is to build a regulated capitalism with a socially humanistic outlook. Capitalism, as the dominant current, is not only an economic system but has become a cultural order, emphasizing private ownership, capital accumulation, competition, and the pursuit of profit. For developing countries, capitalism is seen as a fast track to modernization, attracting foreign investment, driving markets, and creating jobs. However, capitalism also creates structural dependency, as developing countries often become suppliers of raw materials, cheap labor, and markets for products from developed countries. From a macroeconomic perspective, capitalism accelerates growth but also creates income inequality, debt vulnerability, and resource exploitation. Globally, it is impossible for an economy to survive without capitalism. For developing countries, the challenge is not to reject capitalism altogether, but to control it so that it does not damage the social order through regulation by the state, state-owned enterprises, cooperatives, wealth redistribution through progressive taxation and social safety nets, and strengthening a collective culture (zakat in the Islamic way).
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#15Apr 9, 2024, 12:36 AM
I bet you don't know that capitalism is the resources that is used as a source to achieve a goal. It could be finance, knowledge or skills so as well mineral resources that earns the payout credits to optimize an economy or to an individual when evaluated for an exchange or product of services.
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#16Apr 9, 2024, 01:54 AM
Survive, yes, for a while. Decades maybe. Until it collapses. The alternative systems that have been created are artificial, go against human nature, and tend toward disaster. Nowadays, it is difficult to find purely capitalist countries in the world. What we have is a mixture of capitalism and state intervention. Curiously, the United States, which is the country most often cited as a symbol of capitalism, does not rank in the top ten of the economic freedom index, which shows how far the Overton window has shifted.
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ColdAlphaSenior Member
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#17Apr 9, 2024, 07:56 AM
History shows clearly that socialist countries revert to capitalism in order to survive. They make their people suffer to the brink of social unrest.
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node_walletSenior Member
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#18Apr 9, 2024, 11:54 AM
With the level of population explotion and technological advancement in productions I believe that it is capitalism that can move with the time, we now have a lot of competition in every industry and they all have capitalist mindset. There are so much innovations and upgrades to give better services to the societies because if any producer doesn't live up to expectations they won't get patronage and that is why their driving force is profit. Competition, demand and supply should be the determinant for prices of goods and services. On the other hand socialism hardly brings innovations and upgrades because their are no motivating factors like profit to make producers to make their products better because everything is government regulated. There is hardly any competition among producers because they are not allowed to be profit driven and the people will pay less and accept average product and services.
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#19Apr 9, 2024, 04:35 PM
More important than the label you put on the economic system is that there is a solid set of incentives directing the economy towards general wellbeing, i.e. making people contribute to the community and satisfy others' needs while benefitting themselves (and not suffer the free-rider problem). Capitalism has achieved that quite well and is a simple ruleset, basically based on ancient bartering mechanisms. Historic socialist sytems instead failed on this point, they suffered from freerider-related problems or from corruption (which is easier to propagate in systems where a strong bureaucracy exists). I would however not rule out other systems, maybe even better ones, where a similarly efficient incentive set could be enabled than in the current "version" of Capitalism.
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#20Apr 9, 2024, 07:40 PM
Thise countries or any other country are the result of the actual global system. Few siecles, feodalism and slavery the glbal economic system so it's barely impossible not to find slaves in any part of tge modern world at the time. By time goes by, with the current glbalization era, it is a must for any country to follow the system because there is no way to isolate itself. See the example of North Corea which can't apply such a dictatorship without disconnecting from the whole world.
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