is microstrategy on the brink of collapse

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lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#1May 9, 2020, 08:20 AM
MSTR used to act like a triple Bitcoin play, consistently moving way more than BTC itself, which attracted a lot of investors, especially bond buyers and institutions that can't hold BTC directly. But now it's the other way around, with the stock lagging behind Bitcoin by a significant margin. With all the new ETFs popping up, there's way less incentive for big investors to get involved with MSTR. What's concerning is that they still have a lot of leverage. So, what if they default? Would Saylor have to sell off some Bitcoin to settle debts? If that happens, it could spark a massive sell-off and maybe even burst the bubble. What do you all think? Is this a genuine concern or am I just reading too much into it?
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jake420Full Member
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#2May 9, 2020, 11:20 AM
you better stick to investing on BTC directly to the source of income as investing on MicroStrategy for me feels like investing on 3d party
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lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#3May 9, 2020, 04:19 PM
true theres nothing better than spot bitcoin anything else will die eventualy especialy mstr with their leverage
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#4May 10, 2020, 11:30 AM
They live in future with lots of BTC, M.Saylor to become richer then all the Tsarz
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lynx_rocketSenior Member
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#5May 11, 2020, 05:27 PM
yes but the leverage can take him down before that
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#6May 11, 2020, 09:29 PM
what i think is next for mstr : after being down by more than 50% since i shorted it, mstr will do a dead cat bounce to liquidate the late bears, there is so many of them especially retails but they are here too late. after that it will look like everything is ok for mstr for a few months, until blackrock asks the SEC to put enormous pressure on mstr with the goal of bankrupting them, why would they do that ? because they want to buy that 600000btc at a massive discount, they will offer to bail them out with a 30/40% haircut, saylor will have no choice but to accept or he goes to jail for fraud, life is not fair they cant let someone who is not in their '' club" control such a massive amount of btc. what i conclude from this information : btc is here to stay, hodl for dear life and buy the dip by any means neccessary, all the problems that are coming to undermine btc in the next months are false and fabricated to make peoples sell with the goal of having institutions control a much bigger share of btc than retail no satoshi is not cia or we would have seen many ex agents becoming suspiciously rich, if they made btc they would have bought or mined a huge load of it in 2011 no btc is not going to collapse or get hacked its all fud and no mstr is not going to sell 600k btc at market there will be a bailout and no its not too late to get rich of btc, in the future peoples will envy us just like we gen z envy the boomers who got rich in the property market by buying a house for 5k and its now worth 2m it will be the same thing you will get to live confortably for the rest of your life with just 1btc by staking or lending it out it will be like rent for the boomers of the property market
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vector21Full Member
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#7May 13, 2020, 12:22 PM
The Bitcoin accumulation strategy MicroStrategy is pursuing seems solid long-term. Despite recent volatility, Saylor's commitment to building one of the largest corporate Bitcoin treasuries could provide significant upside if Bitcoin continues its adoption curve. The leverage risk is real though - any major market downturn could force liquidation. Worth watching how they manage debt vs. holdings.
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the_sageFull Member
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#8May 13, 2020, 06:25 PM
MicroStrategy (now rebranded as Strategy) shifted from a software company to holding a massive Bitcoin stash. Its performance moves way more with BTC price than normal companies. When Bitcoin dips, MicroStrategy’s stock gets hammered harder.
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#9May 15, 2020, 01:51 AM
Interesting thread. I've been wondering about the same thing. The price action recently has been weird compared to BTC, for sure. I'm not super worried about a default right now, but I'm curious about the mechanics. If they did have to sell, would it be a huge chunk all at once, or could they drip it out? And wouldn't the market see it coming? That "pop the bubble" scenario seems extreme, but a big, forced sale would definitely put downward pressure. Anyone have a clue what their loan covenants are like? The details matter here.
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the_sageFull Member
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#10May 17, 2020, 12:59 AM
From what we’ve seen historically, forced sales almost never happen as one giant “market dump.” Lenders usually prefer staged sales or negotiated restructuring because nuking the market hurts everyone, including themselves. If covenants are breached, it’s more likely margin calls, added collateral, or partial sales over time. And yes, markets usually sniff this stuff out early — price tends to move before the actual selling happens.
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#11May 17, 2020, 06:08 AM
Not imminently dead — no bankruptcy or delisting confirmed — but: • It’s high-risk: Its valuation swings with Bitcoin more than normal companies. • It’s structurally fragile: Big outflows, dilution, and index risks could push the stock much lower. • Not the same as BTC exposure: Owning MSTR ≠ owning Bitcoin — risks are layered (corporate, balance sheet, financing).
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gwei100Full Member
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#12May 17, 2020, 11:23 AM
People forget that MSTR is not Bitcoin it’s a leveraged company betting hard on one asset, that works great on the way up and looks terrible when things cool off, with ETFs around MSTR lost its special status, i don’t see an immediate default but I also wouldn’t treat it as a proxy for BTC anymore.
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