So Elon Musk dropped this wild idea about launching xAI's data centers into space. The pitch is that it would have "unlimited solar power" and better cooling, making it unstoppable. From an economic angle, it could seriously cut down energy costs. AI is super pricey to operate here on Earth, plus there are those pesky environmental impacts. Anyone else thinking of "Skynet"?
Sure, running AI in space sounds awesome, but a big project like this would need a massive upfront investment. Good thing Elon is the richest dude on the planet, so he could pull it off.
What do you all think? Do you think the governments, especially in the US, would get on board with this? How could such a project actually benefit them? Are there any long-term economic advantages we could see beyond what’s already been mentioned?
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
Is Space-Based AI Economically Viable?
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Elon Musk's only goal is to serve Elon Musk. He is the worst type of billionaire and the less private business in space the better. He's already mentioned wanting to put a million satellites in space which is just going to be a disaster (not that he will get anywhere close) and surround the world with tonnes of space junk. It sets a precedent as well and you could have another hundred countries/private entities putting up equal amounts which would ruin the shared atmosphere that surrounds us. If it stays in earths orbit then those solar harvesting farms would end up blocking out sunlight that we use on the ground, eventually they'll figure out a way to make it a billionaires only playground up there. These sort of projects should be taken on and heavily regulated by governments, who should come up with international agreements instead of constantly trying to destroy previous deals. Also, this is a datacenter in space - AI might be just one of the many things it serves.
Sometimes we often define and interpret wealth with things that logically don't make sense, Elon Musk is known for the Al project and he is known to have untold wealth. but has Elon Musk ever estimated and calculated something that cannot be valued and cannot be bought with the economy he has.
In summary life in space includes:
Has Elon Musk ever thought that everything in the quote above cannot be bought and valued with the money/economy he has or cannot be controlled by the Al project he owns? If he can, I'm sure it won't last long. we don't live in a fairy tale world, we live in the real world, Al is too ambitious and has hallucinations like in a fairy tale life.
This is not a SUPERMAN movie.
The costs of lifting the equipment up in the space is incredibly big. So AI will need to get incredibly profitable, which is not happening yet.
Then the cost of maintenance is also very big. Elon will need astronauts with hardware and maybe also software knowledge, fun!
Don't forget then the dangers like solar storm, micro-meteorites, space debris (increasingly growing) and probably other "fun" I didn't think or know of.
I'm not convinced it's a feasible investment yet. Both AI development and space protection need to evolve.
Financially viable for companies that can afford the costs, some experts predict this will become possible in at least 6 years; it's not something for now. This also opens up new possibilities for the creation of a new ecosystem, with other companies being created to deal with space debris, for example, because, conversely, that's what will happen. Musk plans to launch 1 million satellites; how will their maintenance be carried out?
In addition to energy savings, there will be water savings, since water will not be needed for cooling. Being able to save and minimize the impact on the resources we have here will benefit the world's population.
Source: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/starcloud/
Other solutions are also offered to minimize energy consumption without the high costs of sending satellites into space, according to this article.
But since the main objective is to reduce costs and maximize profits, these solutions are palliative.
The idea is not a bad one but the problem is that it's to risky and it will cost a lot because space project and equipment is very expensive and I think the government will have to think about the security measures and control before approving this kind of project. But if you view it from another angle let me say if it really do work on long term it will boost Innovation and the economy will be strength but all I can say is that it can't work because it looks more like a big vision than a solid investment that will be of benefit to the economy or Sure economic solution
Whether it's accepted or not depends on how Elon Musk lobbies the US government. He certainly has an offer that's not only beneficial for him, but also for the US government. And if the US government sees that it will benefit them, then they should give Elon permission to do it - just as the US government gave Elon permission for several of his other ambitious projects, most of which we know failed.
Compared to us, it would be more profitable for Elon, because xAI is his company, and whatever profits this company makes, he will benefit most. Meanwhile, we are more of a user, and if it works, we might end up with cheaper and more reliable AI. But that's only if this project succeeds.
just_bridgeSenior Member
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#8Dec 16, 2017, 11:03 PM
Personally I do not know how this would benefit the economy. I know AI use is increasing and theres a need for data centers still I dont know whether between the deep blue ocean and space for data centers which is more cost saving. Elon is yet to tell us how long the data centers in space will be for, I have heard of satellites crashing down to earth after a while, arent we going to see the same thing with the data centers? What would be the cost implications?
The only one who know feasibility is Elon himself since he got the data from the SpaceX. We don't even know how big the datacenter would be and how much fuel and how big the rocket needed to make it happen.
Since there are tons of people have been complaining how data centers are making water scarce and electricity rises in price, it'd be a good innovation but there are concern of Kessler Syndrome, basically so much junk in space you will hardly launch new satellite.
jake.chainSenior Member
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#10Dec 17, 2017, 04:37 AM
Dont expect everyone will benefit from this. Most likely this will be expensive because its expensive to use AI let alone AI in space. Expect that this will only benefit Elon Musk or other billionaires/millionaires.
mark.chainFull Member
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#11Dec 17, 2017, 08:16 AM
I think whether the government will approve it or not is a purely political and strategic matter, If the US sees that it will put them ahead in AI and space technology, they will rather support it. It has advantages in terms of national security, military AI, everything. However, international regulations may come about regarding the issue of filling space with data farms of private companies.
There may be economic benefits in the long term, especially if energy costs decrease and a new space industry is created but I don't think it will quickly bring cheap AI to the lives of ordinary people.
humblefarmSenior Member
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#12Dec 17, 2017, 09:20 AM
Elon Musk should not present this idea as a win-win project because it has some consequences. With an increase in the number of low-orbit craft, the risk of collisions between these objects also increases. These could be risky for humans since materials from the wreck could fall to earth.
Anyway, it will be beneficial since it will reduce pollution caused by data centres. The US will also benefit since many workers will gain knowledge on space data centres, which is a plus for skills development.
However, before approving such a project, the government should have the necessary technological tools and human resources to monitor operations to avoid abuse.
Regarding getting approval, he would get it if he lobbies the right people.
cyberp1x3lFull Member
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#13Dec 19, 2017, 09:13 PM
Well, when? That would be the biggest question, because if we are talking about "in our lifetime" type of thing, that surely depends on how old you are of course but could Elon Musk see his data centres in space working to help with the world's improvement? I highly doubt that.
But could we see a situation where it is started, like first parts are sent and all that, without actually seeing benefits yet but like a very basic construction start, as in sending some materials there type of thing could maybe happen if he wants to. Although I think he won't even do that. Because, we cannot expect a businessman to be thinking and working like a government. Business people do want immediate profits whereas governments may work in long term with slow revenue generation.
As you have said, he's rich and has the resources to do it. I hope that he'd do that whether it's for the humanity or just his company's gain.
I think that he's got no problem with the government. So, this might be supported by NASA.
They'll have someone pay for the experiment of this energy farming and AI data centers through space.
I guess so, but we'll have to see it first on how it will be. And as for Elon, if he's willing to bet on this like a big boy betting on some games, this would be worth it either becomes successful or not because his name will carved in the history as part of another space exploration through it.
Oh, he will get it alright. Especially with Republicans dominating both chambers of Congress. The time is ripe for Elon to get the approval of his little "space project". Once the midterm elections come in, it will be already too late. Especially when it's predicted that Democrats will win back the House. Maybe even the Senate, too.
While Elon's ambitions to launch AI in space sound unrealistic, there's nothing money can't achieve these days. I think the benefits outweigh the risks. With AI in space, we would no longer need to worry about rising power costs or climate change. We'll see what happens in the long run.
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