Let’s change the mindset that studying equals getting a job.

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BasedGangFull Member
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#1Mar 15, 2023, 01:54 AM
Unemployment is a big issue in many countries, mine included. Every year, tons of students graduate from university, but it’s frustrating to see that a lot of them end up jobless. They send out resumes like crazy, go to interview after interview, but still can’t land a job, and this just makes the unemployment problem worse. But what if these graduates looked at other options? Instead of just hunting for jobs, they could start their own ventures and that could actually be a smart move. I've seen reports where some graduates aren’t just waiting for a job some are launching cow farms, diving into modern agriculture, or even getting into fish farming. These choices don’t make them any less respected. In fact, by taking the initiative, they could create job opportunities for others too. Think about it this way: if you’re working for a company and making 500 bucks a month, that same company is probably making 800 to 1000 bucks worth of work off you. Instead of boosting someone else's business, why not put that effort into your own? Sure, it won’t be easy at first, but if you stick with it and believe in what you’re doing, there's a good chance you’ll find success. So really, instead of wasting time just chasing jobs, I think all these graduates should consider other routes.
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tom_ninjaFull Member
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#2Mar 15, 2023, 05:55 AM
Education gives more chance of landing a good career compared to undergraduate. There’s some exceptions to this but that doesn’t mean people should stop trying to become educated just because someone that doesn’t study landed a good job. There’s problem of students that you mentioned is probably they are encouraged to study with their parent on courses that they doesn’t like. This is the reality on some country like mine that parents just pushing their children to study a profession that the parents like not by the students so in the end they don’t practice their profession once they already have the freedom to choose.
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quantumninjaFull Member
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#3Mar 15, 2023, 10:52 AM
The reason is probably the quality of education and the students' desire to actually master a profession, and not just get a piece of paper or a certificate of education. Why then did they spend time and money on getting an education (not in a specialized field) if they end up raising cows? Let's consider a different scenario: you've spent your resources developing the company, but after a while, the company fires you. In other words, an employee is essentially "expendable" for other companies, and so I don't see the point in working for $500 at a $1,000 salary just to "strengthen" someone else's company, which could fire me at any moment. And this could be the solution to what I've described above: creating and growing your own company (the size and type of activity aren't crucial). But again, there are nuances here, namely, that not every business project is successful. Students can try, but not everyone will succeed.   "We should get rid of the attitude that studying means getting a job." - studying means getting a job for teachers.
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raven_maxiSenior Member
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#4Mar 15, 2023, 04:40 PM
If you talk about your boss trying to milk what the pay you from you and if you imagine that the effort you are giving your company could make way for you if you put it into your then using that logic why should anyone work for you, even if you want to start something on a small scale you still need one or two workers so why should those people work for you? Not all jobs try to overuse their workers, there are jobs you can do and use a building block to start up yours and there are people only meant for the cooperate world when ever they start up theirs they fail. Chasing after job is not a waste of times especially when you studied something in demand and your credentials are up there, you should be willing to leave your place of comfort and go where you are demanded for.
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dav3v1perSenior Member
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#5Mar 15, 2023, 10:18 PM
Not true. Not every country has a problem of unemployment. There are unemployed people in every country, but not in every country is unemployment significant enough to be a problem. A lot of developed economies have an unemployment rate of about 3%-6%. This is not a problem, and at this rate, sooner or later, unemployed people who are looking for jobs will get a job. In the EU, the only country I can think of currently that has an unemployment problem is Spain, with an unemployment rate of about 10% And a lot of the unemployed people in developed economies are people with no higer education or training. The problem countries have is a higher cost of living or inflation. With the cost of basic daily household things increasing regularly, the money they work for isn't enough to take care of them as they used to. So it would look as if they are underemployed, which they are, but that's the paradox. If workers' salaries are increased, inflation will increase too, and the new salary will soon look small in a couple of years. This advice you people give is not wrong, but I think you guys are devoid of reality when you talk about it. First of all, good education is expensive in my country (that is the first sign of a failed government and society). If you want cheaper education, which is what the government offers, which is not properly funded and not up to standard, then you won't get a good education. So people struggle to get a degree, and they come hoping to make a life from that deree that thy've worked hard for and spent a lot of money on, but they're just supposed to throw it away and start over all again on something else? C'mon, let's be realistic. That doesn't sound like a failed economy to you? So all the knowledge and there is no way to put it to good use? This is part of the reason developed countries keep getting better and underdeveloped countries keep getting worse. Alexander Fleming would not have won a Nobel Prize for discovering antibiotics if he had not found a job as a research assistant after he graduated from medical school and had just looked for a way to make ends meet. I understand that the advice of looking for what to do is coming from a place of love, but it should not be something a country should be encouraging. People should make money from what they have studied, in order to add value to life. How is a country going to make valuable discoveries and inventions if its graduates are "looking for other things to do after graduation" People who want to do it should do it because they want to and they like it, not because they have no other choice. Then let's look at how difficult it is to start something, as you mentioned. A business, or a skill. You're going to spend money you do not have and need knowledge you have not acquired. Even getting the skill requires some guidance, and you may not have it. You will need money to learn the skill, too. All this while you have bills to pay. You're going to pay electricity bills, internet bills, and feed yourself while at it. It's not as easy as you people make it sound. You simply can't just pivot to another career, business or skill entirely with the snap of a finger.
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ninja_viperFull Member
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#6Mar 18, 2023, 02:24 AM
That is true but this only applies to a country that the system is working. If you have a failed government where nothing matters to them rather than siphoning funds using different areas, you'd discover that your degree as a university graduate doesn't mean shit, infact you'd be no different from the one who is an undergrad or a high school dropout when the time to find a job comes. Education is very important because it gives you an edge over those who couldn't access it but these days, especially in some countries, it's not as important anymore. What matters more to them is getting a skill that can secure your income.
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dan.whaleFull Member
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#7Mar 18, 2023, 04:28 AM
The whole system is rigged, I used to think it was just my country but it's not. The life of a student after graduation is mostly very difficult looking for a job. Most professional jobs you apply for would request you have a good number of years experience, but how do we do that when you can't even get your hands on a job. Education was indeed the key, but we should start rethinking the whole idea. Education right now is a drive that could take you to meet people of great influence but even with some level of educations you are not guaranteed to be successful in life.
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tony2011Full Member
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#8Mar 18, 2023, 07:29 AM
However, it is not possible for everyone to start a business in reality. Because business requires capital and a risk taking mindset, which not everyone has. Therefore both job and business have different importance. I think that while working for yourself is the best idea rather than making others profit in the job market, it would be the safest and wisest thing to do at least in the beginning by doing a small job anywhere to understand the practical world and accumulate some capital and then embark on a full time venture.
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atlas1337Member
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#9Mar 18, 2023, 09:51 AM
If an educated youth has to remain unemployed after completing his studies, then that education has no value. And one of the main reasons for this situation is that most of the students think that if they can get out with a good degree, they will get a job. When they submit their CVs in the hope of getting a job, their CVs are not properly evaluated. If an educated youth does not study for the purpose of getting a job but tries to build a business, then he will be able to create his own workplace as well as the workplace of others in the future. But instead of doing the right thing, instead of hoping for a job, people are not able to secure a workplace, due to which the number of unemployed is increasing day by day and the common people are living a miserable life without getting a job.
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HumbleKingFull Member
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#10Mar 19, 2023, 02:59 AM
What country are you in?  It's probably not as bad as in the US.  I watched this video waking up this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuSEeuUhPo I am so glad I'm retired and don't need to look for work anymore.  My age, which used to be an asset (wow, a programmer with 30 years experience?) is now a liability since it's easier to hire someone fresh to the job market, especially if they have 10+ years experience on a technology that just launched last year.  :/
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cryptobridgeSenior Member
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#11Mar 19, 2023, 09:19 AM
As bad as job opportunities keep getting worse, not everyone can work in some places, you must have some professional skills before you can work there. I mean you can never see a random person without medical experience work as medical doctor, in fact let me put it this way; there are some jobs that no person can replace until you pass through the 4 walls of school and get educated before you can get the job. Not all jobs are self learning or can be learn without writing exams and some professional courses, you just have to pass through that stage and that gives you edge over other mom educated people. In the early 2000s, there used to be parents with kind of altitude, they force their children to study what they wish they have done and I see it as some parents try to force something they couldn't do on their kids, they want their kids to learn the life they wanted instead of letting the kids choose to live their own life but I guess the system is humbling some parents now and they are all coming to realization that you can force your kid to study what you want but will dump the certificate and go study something else or might look for another job that's different from what they study.
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dan.wolfFull Member
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#12Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 PM
There was a post I came across that says, if you have a product that costs $10, you only need 5 investors to buy from you per day to become more rich than undergraduate who are employed. Having to complete a sale per day with loyal customers can skyrock you to the highest level ever in a month. So, $10*5 gives $50 per days $50*30 gives you $1500 per month. That's pretty much enough money to get it you are consistent with your product especially when you can leverage on the social Media to grab your customers.
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im_sageFull Member
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#13Mar 21, 2023, 05:56 AM
That is why there is a saying that some of the most entitled people can be highly educated people, because many of them start to feel that the labour market owes them a job simply because they have a degree. Education is important, but a certificate is not a guaranteed ticket to employment. The reality today is that there are far more graduates than available jobs in many countries. Instead of waiting endlessly for companies to hire them, some people are creating opportunities for themselves through modern farming, small businesses, technology and other skills. A degree should be seen as a tool, not a promise.
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d3g3n51Member
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#14Mar 21, 2023, 07:20 AM
Well, I'm not going to deny the fact that education creates job opportunities, but it's wrong to capitalize on studying to get a job rather, we need to focus on studying hard so as we can be one among the best student in that field we are into or the curse we are studying. because there's no certainty about getting a job after we graduate from school. I know there are a lot of folks who believe that once they finish with Thier studies that they will get employed in one of the biggest companies in town. And of course most of them were lucky to gain employment in big company while some are still hoping for job opportunity. The major reason why we are studying isn't because of getting a job but it's to create new things and also bring ideas that would make our country to grow and also to help our economy.
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GrimStackFull Member
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#15Mar 21, 2023, 10:08 AM
Education motives have been diverted it aim and purpose change due to the way the society havs made it look like. When a fresh graduate apply for jobs in an organization, then he required to present a 3 to 5 years or more working experience, where will they get such.this is a sign that there is no room for the young graduates have spent years leaning gathering knowledge to impact the country economy with what they have learnt so far. For instance every year doctors, engineer, business and people from different fields graduate and yet no sign of it in the economy. Political influence is also part of what affects the educational systems, as it not not easy to be employed in reputable organization without having the connection with influencial member of the public.
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d3fi404Full Member
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#16Mar 21, 2023, 02:15 PM
Not all graduates are given such opportunities to start on their own rather than continuously hunting jobs. Of course, I think everyone aims to be the boss of their own, but for poor graduates, they have to establish theirselves first,  their finances and experience, before they will go on their own and try something new other than being employed. Its a good attitude to be always open for opportunities available around, even if its not your area or field of specialization. But for some who are raised to be a breadwinner, they want more assurance to land a job and get paid, rather than going on job alternative where security is uncertain yet.
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bear2021Full Member
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#17Mar 21, 2023, 04:36 PM
There's no wrong with studying means getting a job, that is already the expectation of every graduate after years of hard work and perseverance in school. But getting a job is never instant, it requires time and high patience, if you give up then the opportunity for you will be pass for someone else. But what we should get rid of is the attitude of just focusing yourself in just a single job, or on your field of specialization. There are a lot of job opportunities around, we only need to explore and never stop chasing them. If you want an income, you have to grab every opportunity that comes that will pay you legally, while waiting for your dream job to be given to you.
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king2011Full Member
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#18Mar 23, 2023, 09:50 PM
For new graduate, degree not guarantee get a job but it increase our opportunity to compete with other job seeker. Job search process for fresh graduates not only about getting first paycheck but an important process for honing skill and sharpening our competencies, new comers need experiences and consistent, repeated learning opportunities. For me first job usually be stepping stone to gaining real working world experiences. understanding how formal institution / organization work, building professional network, developing self discipline and work ethic, and on its process i can find fields that truly aligns with my ability and interest. How could someone can start business if they don't know don't have any knowledge and experiences running a business and how its work. By becoming an employee, we can observe, review, and implement the knowledge we've learned in our work place to our future business. We know that portofolio more popular than CV now. Because portofolio actually show our quality, our competency and our capability. So that we can be recruited, we must show our competency first, the problem with fresh graduates  sometimes apply for any job even though it does not match their competencies.
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hash51Full Member
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#19Mar 24, 2023, 01:19 AM
You know what my parents often say, study hard because that is the only wealth no one can steal from you, and the key to get a stable and secured job in the future. And so my sibling and I studied well and get a good job, but the compensation is not that high and so we change perspectives and focus on our side hustles which led us to gain what we never had when we were still employed. There's never wrong with studying because its really true that you can land a job after. But at the end of the day, if you find your job not capable to give you a good retirement, that's when you have to look for something new, something that you will never expect that it will give you what you have been wishing for, even if its not aligned with your finished course or degree.
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chriswolfFull Member
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#20Mar 24, 2023, 04:38 AM
Experience should always be the top priority, and of course having a good earning so that you can save for your future business or investment. Applying for  a job is still the best option, because that's the only way that you will know the real battle in life, the real struggles after graduation. But having your own job should not be your final goal. You should be the boss of your own, and you can only do that if you risk your hard-earned money and take risk with your new venture in life, business or investment. That should be your final goal in life, do not settle forever working on a corporate job.
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