People are really into the US dollar losing its strength, and it seems like Donald Trump vibes with that too, being the sitting president.
So the big question is, where's the cash gonna flow in 2025? But honestly, Trump doesn’t seem to mind the dollar's decline.
The Fed doesn't really have to drop rates by a whole point like he suggested.
JP Morgan is already hinting at the US dollar's downfall. Nowadays, folks seem to think in extremes it's all or nothing. A 5% drop feels like a total disaster.
At least JP Morgan acknowledges how significant the US economy is, being a major player in the global market.
If you check out what’s happening, it gives some context to Bitcoin hitting 106k and Gold sitting around 3.5k, plus Silver is on the rise too. There’s just way too much cash floating around without much purpose. It’s like money is just moving back and forth endlessly.
Where the money's headed by 2025
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nonce_sigmaFull Member
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#2Aug 23, 2020, 05:10 PM
With a weak dollar we will see an increasing flee to risk on assets. Bitcoin will benefit from this, I predict a strong end to 2025 as money flows into Bitcoin. Take advantage of this as it wont last forever, we will top & enter a bear market which will cause the opposite, a big flow back into the fiat.
The weakening of the dollar had been a long-standing issue and was predicted. This kind of discussion in the internet had been around for more than a decade, earlier than the creation of the Bitcoin blockchain and probably older than many of the members here.
As we can see, the weakening of the dollar started in 1985 and has never recovered its peak since then.
It is highly anticipated that the dollar will continue to weaken since the US continues to acquire debt and the global de-dollarization, since many countries are trying to reduce their US dollar dependencies.
Investors' attention is now focused on the September Fed meeting. With the news that two board members, Christopher Waller and Michelle Bowman, will vote for a cut, hopes are high. A cut in interest rate might lead to a high in Bitcoin price.
The weakening of the dollar gained momentum as Trump became president. His America First policy, which led to an unplanned tariff war, has increased the instability of the US economy. Investors will not be attracted to the volatile economy Trump created. The country is adopting a damage control approach, which is why there are tariff pauses.
US stocks seem to still be doing ok, but the current business environment is making it difficult to plan for the future as the president changes his mind like the wind. Business needs to plan 5-10+ years out but these tariffs and charges being randomly imposed and repealed means that business stops spending on future expansion. You can see stock markets in certain countries like the UK going up a bit as they seem to be in some sort of "favoured" status right now, but even in that scenario if the leaders fall out the landscape can quickly change. It takes very little to offend the extremely weak and fickle US president, the best course of action for most countries seems to be rearranging their economies around America for the next four years.
That's probably what all these countries around the world are waiting for. Some thought that when Trump comes back, everything will be okay,
but what they are seeing now seems to be the opposite.
Especially when Trump implemented this Tariff war, which has really hurt the dollar, and I think it looks like it will sink even more
in the future in my opinion and opinion.
ryanwizardSenior Member
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#7Aug 26, 2020, 07:13 PM
Its now a battle whereby many countries are now waking up to see the way they can boost their currencies against the USD, though this is not what they can easily achieved, because of the dominance in the use of USD, however, bitcoin is what will make the whole thing more simple to achieve, if we see how far we could go before the end of this season and the rate at which countries are going to adopt the use of bitcoin as against USD dominance in the nearest future.
Money flows into the 3rd world.
As investment becomes harder in the US,roller-coasting is not everyone's cup of tea.
Biggest obstacle for growth in the developing world are wages, or the lack of insight what made developed countries stable.
People making money it is, people spend, companies invest.
Growth rates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate
It's undeniable that the global economy is weakening, including the United States' economy. Simultaneously, sentiment and protests against US dominance and hegemony are growing in many countries. One example is China and Russia's support for Iran to reduce America's economic dominance in the world. According to China and Russia, Iran boasts a strong economy, despite decades of resistance by its regime to American economic sanctions. Iran is independent of the IMF and World Bank, has no foreign debt in dollars, and conducts no trade transactions in dollars. The strategic alliance between China, Russia, and Iran aims to mitigate the polarizing effects of the dominant power of the United States and its allies. The use of the yuan in Iran's foreign trade transactions makes Iran the largest supplier of cheap energy for China's manufacturing industry. Cheap oil prices for Chinese industry will undoubtedly increase the competitiveness of Chinese products in the global market amidst the United States' tariff war.
The dollar's hegemony will soon collapse due to a combination of declining economic competitiveness, as evidenced by the United States' questionable economic growth. Second, a loss of trust due to several abuses of economic power, such as the imposition of trade sanctions, the blocking of Swift, and ballooning foreign debt (considered a sign of fiscal policy disorder). Crucially, as the world transitions from fiat payments to the digital era, the United States is focusing not on developing a central bank digital currency but on cryptocurrency. If cryptocurrency continues to dominate, the dollar's dominance will be overthrown only a matter of time.
continues to dominate is wishful thinking, unfortunately.
Compare Crypto money's flow to the one of the NY stock-exchange. Just NY.
wallet2016Member
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#11Aug 28, 2020, 07:04 PM
The price of each country's currency might remain the same, or even decrease, while the price of BTC is actually increasing.
I was initially discouraged by BTC's decline that day, but I ignored it, and boom, what's happening now? BTC has risen drastically.
So, in my opinion, regarding the flow of money from 2025 onwards, I have more faith in BTC to improve my finances.
1 BTC = 102,024,
All-Time High (ATH): 105,495.00 EUR
1 BTC $117001.77
All-Time High (ATH): 122,838.00 USD
Increasing and decreasing is the name of the game.
There are fluctuation between different moneys.
Still its more about where the money goes which leaves the US.
Huge parts go into the developing word, which is logically correct as risk in the US also has risen.
Money flows to productive assets I think is most important, if anything else were true then we see the fall of capitalism surely as it has no use in directing capital and its just then only a number not useful.
So I think AI continues to be a trend this year and years after so long as it represents some increase in efficency and usefulness.
1st part I agree, 2nd I disagree.
Productive is the key to both and now we see that very little productivity comes from the LLM,
https://futurism.com/ceos-return-ai-investments
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cio/2025/01/30/why-75-of-businesses-arent-seeing-roi-from-ai-yet/
I refuse to call the LLM a AI.
Openai presented their LLM as a preprogrammed software.
calmfalconSenior Member
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#15Aug 31, 2020, 06:52 AM
Obviously it will not be easy to beat USD, not at an individual level. Their aim shouldn't be to make their fiat stronger than USD, nobody should, not the smallest nation, not the biggest competition.
The reality is simple, as long as they make USD less valuable, they are winning.
What we are going to also see that USA have hard time paying off their debt, to other nations, which also means there are two chances, either they will be crushed under the whole interest payments, or they will print more and make it even less valuable. All these combined causes a ton of trouble for them.
This should not be an easy thing for USA to deal with, they will have bunch of issues to face and we are going to see USA have trouble in the near future.
miner_bullFull Member
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#16Aug 31, 2020, 08:05 AM
The weakening of the dollar signifies the shift in the global balance of power and trust. For long-term investors, diversifying between currencies and regions is becoming an essential strategy, and states also need to account for it.
That being said, I think we shouldn't jump the gun just yet. The USD is the world's most common foreign reserve currency, the inflation rate isn't critical, and the dominance of the USD is so strong that it is likely to weather even a major storm.
Biggest obstacle for growth in developing countries is specialized workforce, which isn't abundant and won't accept working for any amount of money. Moreover, the culture from third world countries teach people to believe to work is synonymous of being enslaved. To work isn't seen as something positive and uplifiting, rather it's seen as punishment.
On the other hand, the mindset adopted by first world countries' citizens helped them to reach the peak when compared to the rest of the world. In every cases, the world is suffering a pretty inedit change right now. USA isn't the same from 2000's and previous decades anymore. Trump stamps an era of decadence in US, not only financial, but also social and moral.
Where money is going to flow from now on is still a mistery, though. Place your bets, and hope to be accurate on your guesses!
It is really expected that bitcoin will rise by the end of the year. Though I dont know if bitcoin declining as it enters the bear cycle will mean that the us dollar will be stronger. We might not even see that dramatic decline though it will surely decline if the bear cycle really ensues.
I second. With most of the investors worry about the assets that they have which could heavily affected by the drop of USD in value will make them find something better. It's no longer a secret on how Bitcoin performed for the past decade and this gives them the idea on which one to buy and where to flow their money. The volatility itself is a good thing about Bitcoin and these big investors understands it. And so, it is not surprising why the giant financial firms and companies like MicroStrategy and BlackRock are pouring billions in it and they're just few of the many that we can mention.
vault_satoshiMember
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#20Sep 2, 2020, 08:51 PM
There won't be bear cycles of the same magnitude we have seen in the past.
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