WLFI vs Justin Sun

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alex.shardLegendary
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#1Feb 23, 2017, 09:13 PM
Let's wait and see what goes down in court. You might have seen this thread: https://this forum/index.php?topic=5580098.0 So far, at least three folks we know had their coins frozen by WLFI, and Justin Sun is one of them. Check out the current situation. This is the thing with altcoins. His coins have been frozen for quite some time, but now he seems to care. If WLFI's assets weren't worthless tokens held by whales, the price would have already plummeted way more. The fact that they’re still frozen shows how low the token's value really is. What's fueling the fear right now is: I think people are worried the token price will keep dropping, and if that happens, there could be a wave of liquidations of WLFI tokens. People will start selling, which isn’t a surprise in the altcoin scene, but with WLFI, their coins are already frozen.
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stack_2017Senior Member
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#2Feb 23, 2017, 10:18 PM
I can only imagine what would've happened to WLFI's price if more tokens were unlocked, because right now, those who participated in the sale, don't have full access to everything they initially bought. I also don't understand why would've anyone invested in WLFI? I saw it when it was first announced, the sales page and everything... And it just didn't sit right with me. I mean aside from it being backed by the president? what's so special about it?
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paul.ninjaFull Member
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#3Feb 24, 2017, 12:07 AM
A lot of people do not buy these things because they are technically impressive. They buy because they think proximity to powerful names will protect them from normal market gravity. Then gravity clocks in anyway. I have seen this movie across multiple cycles and the ending is always the same: the small guys get told to be patient while the people near the switchboard somehow always have options. Once a token needs frozen balances, controlled unlocks, and PR gymnastics just to maintain the illusion of health, the chart is already telling you the truth.
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sigma07Senior Member
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#4Feb 24, 2017, 01:23 AM
I think it's just because they've read that it's with Trump or he's a part of it or whatsoever. People nowadays invests on the popularity of whoever endorses it or the names that they're dropping for them to gain attention of the investors. I'm glad that I didn't invest onto this project because I'm now in losses when I've invested into the meme coin of Trump's wife, lol.
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jake365Full Member
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#5Feb 24, 2017, 07:35 AM
I am assuming that Justin didn't bother to read the whitepaper. Because it had huge scam written all over it, that he apparently just found out. Imagine being so rich that you can just buy major share from any crap and then whine about it being centralized scam. He could have avoided it just by reading it once and comprehending what he reads. Even i read it, although i wasn't going to buy any and sure as hell wouldn't buy after reading it. This is a perfect example of I am just eating popcorn and hope they sue each other to oblivion.
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raven1337Hero Member
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#6Feb 24, 2017, 11:09 PM
It's caused by at that time, WLFI was a token that has potential to flip our money. It's a common thing when people would put the details project aside. They care more to the how much potential ROI they would make it from put their money on WLFI. It's also one of problems owned by crypto users when majority of them have degenerated mentality. They wanna made money as fast as possible without cared much about what risks they would face it. Imagine, it's easy to flip money by invested in a token that being promoted by the president of super power country.
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fullnodeSenior Member
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#7Feb 25, 2017, 12:15 AM
The fear is that this might be a roundabout way of dumping their tokens by the World Liberty Finance team. If they sold that many coins now, it would have a big price impact. Instead they are borrowing against their tokens, but they could decide not to pay back the loan and potentially leave lenders of USDC with bad debt. As things stand right now, there is 91% USDC utilization on Dolomite, so this is already causing some problems because there is not a lot of withdrawable liquidity for lenders that want to remove their supplied assets.
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jake420Full Member
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#8Feb 25, 2017, 05:06 AM
For those interested in the scandal involving WLFI. I do not know how accurate this information is, but someone claiming to be a WLFI Ambassador has revealed details about how the project works and the shady side behind it. According to him, besides Justin Sun, many other prominent figures in the industry, such as CZ and BitMEX founder Arthur Hayes, also participated in and supported Trump's scam project. If what this person says is true, then WLFI was a meticulously planned scam orchestrated by the Trump family. Because its quite long, you can read full detail here. https://x.com/gothburz/status/2043043381559837153
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raven1337Hero Member
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#9Feb 25, 2017, 03:49 PM
As for CZ's case. It's all make sense. Just after he was getting Trump's pardon. Binance launched a very big WLFI campaign on its exchange site for WLFI product holders. I can only guess it's still having correlation with CZ's pardon. It seems these all already well planned. As you know, there's no free lunch these days.
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SilentGuruSenior Member
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#10Feb 25, 2017, 06:42 PM
Justin Sun's WLFI was frozen after there is shady transfer to HTX which Justin Sun claimed to be only for testing transfer purpose. But the fact that a token can be frozen is questionable, but i'm sure it's all already written on the term and conditions. Unfortunately people don't read these that much. What even more crazy is the most recent alignment proposal for token unlock that is submitted to their governance. If I were WLFI buyer, with 2 year cliff and vesting I'd consider my money gone . We all know what happened to coin that did such thing, 90% dump after a year or two.
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wolf2020Senior Member
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#11Feb 25, 2017, 09:09 PM
If more tokens were unlocked, WLFI's price would crash dearly. I mean, there are a lot of whales holding this "shitcoin". Freezing someone else's funds, tells us how utterly-centralized it already is. Even Justin Sun is feeling the pain. Once Donald Trump's term ends in Jan 2029, WLFI might see its demise. It has nothing special compared with other cryptocurrencies on the market. It's all based on speculation, rather than utility. Until frozen tokens are unlocked, I would steer clear from WLFI. We'll see if Justin Sun wins in the long run...
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stack_2017Senior Member
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#12Feb 26, 2017, 02:48 AM
I would not be surprised. Look at this: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-backed-world-liberty-financials-early-investors-wont-be-able-fully-cash-2026-04-15/ They apparently have a new proposal (people will have to vote) to make sure the remaining of the funds are only unlocked after Trump's term finishes. Token would probably be dead by then.
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#13Feb 27, 2017, 04:45 AM
This case gonna big, since both Trump and Justin Sun are billionaires but hey Trump is the president pretty much he gonna win and I do believe there somene in the polymarket already created bet for this haha. But to be honest Justin Sun was right if everything can be freeze and without community voting, contradict the principles of decentralization I mean this is basically like Tether and Circle in my opinion decentralization with centralization access is this for real that people who participate in sale didnt get their token just yet?
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stack_2017Senior Member
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#14Feb 27, 2017, 10:23 AM
They did get some of it some time after the sale. I believe it was 20%. But the rest is still locked yes. And it's not going to be unlocked without voting as mentioned here[1] and here[2] (I don't believe the voting is live yet) [1] https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/04/15/trump-backed-world-liberty-financial-proposes-unlocking-62-billion-tokens [2] https://governance.worldlibertyfinancial.com/t/proposal-early-supporter-founder-team-partner-token-unlock/53266
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SilentYieldSenior Member
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#15Feb 27, 2017, 03:31 PM
Yes, of course, if it has been opened since the beginning they will experience a very significant decline and that is what the developers do not want to be the same as in the Melania coin and precisely the reason is because of the hype from Trump about their project so that people are interested in it even Justin Sun himself is interested because it is supported by Trump and is his family project like Eric Trump and others.   Other than that there is nothing special, those whales I think are looking to capitalize on the hype that can happen but unfortunately and they are frozen, which is a very big regret it seems.
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wolf2020Senior Member
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#16Feb 27, 2017, 05:31 PM
Most certainly. A huge market crash will follow once the tokens are "unlocked". They're keeping them "locked" right now to help protect market prices. I mean, Trump and his family are heavily-invested in this project. They've already made a lot of money with this venture. Ultimately, they'll win, while investors will lose big time. Typical of a scam. Unless, the Trump family decides to take things seriously with this project and help expand its use cases way beyond 2028 (which is the end of Trump's second term). May this be a lesson to Justin Sun (and anyone else) not to trust a project blindly without first considering they way it's structured (either centralized or decentralized). Randomly freezing assets is typical of a centralized "shitcoin". Just like what happened with Ripple's XRP. Only time will tell the fate of WLFI.
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stack_2017Senior Member
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#17Feb 28, 2017, 12:48 PM
Update on this. Justin Sun is officially suing World liberty finance: It's going to be very interesting to see how he is treated by the U.S goverment after this. It's also worth mentioning that Justin Sun settled with the SEC for 10M $ last month[1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/justin-sun-settles-sec-fraud-case-10-million-2026-03-05/
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raven1337Hero Member
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#18Feb 28, 2017, 06:35 PM
This has to be one of biggest grifter war this year. Sun is so dumb to fight a fraud entity that linked to the US president while we know how his fraud case getting dropped after Trump's regime was winning the election. So i don't be surprised if he may be facing another charge or his case may be continue. He has so many pre-mined tron coin for his own. He can sell it to recover his lose instead of fighting the a defi backed by orange guy. One most important rule is never fight the government. So i guess he is destroying himself.
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D4rkFalconSenior Member
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#19Feb 28, 2017, 09:31 PM
That is why the Justin Sun tells WLFI to make they more decentralized and I actually agree with justin sun at this point. The news already said it all Early investors face extended lock-up and vesting, with full access delayed until 2030 Investors allege lack of transparency, centralized control, and preferential treatment for large holders World Liberty borrowed $75 million against tokens as price hit record low, sparking investor concerns All of this 3 is made any investory concern. But they have trump behind it that basically a US president dont u think they gonna always won at this point.
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stack_2017Senior Member
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#20Feb 28, 2017, 09:37 PM
It looks like the voting for the proposal is officially live[1] and people are not liking it[2]. The wall street journal has also reported that World liberty finance has partneted with a company tied to sanctioned individuals[3][4]. [1] https://cointelegraph.com/news/wlfi-token-tanks-10-as-voting-begins-on-controversial-token-lock-up-proposal [2] https://vote.worldlibertyfinancial.com/#/proposal/0x7389a30748bf921066fba2d63281e34718b141cef9f54fcb4ed5cd4566f94873 [3] https://phemex.com/news/article/trumplinked-wlfi-partners-with-blockchain-network-tied-to-sanctioned-individuals-77412 [4] https://www.wsj.com/business/crypto-venture-linked-to-men-sanctioned-in-scam-ring-probe-partnered-with-trump-firm-c33ce3a5 (paywall)
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